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Got a long journal head of you. I tried to break it up a bit so you can skim parts.

It appears some people were a little less than happy with the idea that I’m not going to see the new TMNT movie, yet have already formed a negative opinion about it. Some people, who don’t understand what the word means, are calling this “hypocritical” since I often ask that people try to see both sides of an issue, so taking a definitive stance here with (what appears to be to them) incomplete data is wrongheaded of me. So now I gotta write this journal to explain my actions better. Hope you’re happy ‘bout that...

It’s just a movie! Why does it matter?
Because it’s not JUST a movie. Movies do not exist in a vacuum. How well (or bad) a movie does informs YEARS of upcoming movies and careers. Thousands of people’s jobs are dictated on the whim of what the box office rankings are for opening weekend. A now famous example is Guillermo Del Toro:

Del Toro wanted to make a passion project film called “At the Mountains of Madness.” He was courted by Universal Studios to do the film, got everyone on board, spent years researching and creating the effects... only to have the film NOT be green-lit because Scott Pilgrim failed at the box office. A movie he wasn’t even associated with.

And similarly related.. Michael Bay wanted to do a passion project film called “Pain and Gain,” but studio executives wouldn’t greenlight the project unless he did the Transformers sequels. Despite Bay not really giving a crap about them, he was forced to slog through the 2 sequels before being allowed to make the ONE movie he actually DID care about.

So that’s why “it matters.” Bad movies succeeding can cause potentially good movies to not even make it to the screen.

It’s just for Kids, so of course there are dick jokes!
Fuck you if you think this is a good excuse. The whole “it’s just for kids, so we shouldn’t even bother trying to make something decent.” Fuck that whole mindset. What a load of crap. You know, you can have dumb humor without resorting to immature humor. You can make kids movies without being disrespectful of their intelligence. Just look at pretty much every Disney movie in existence as proof.

You can’t judge a movie you haven’t seen!
I absolutely can. That’s what trailers are for. That’s what critics are for. That’s what clips and interviews are for. They’re all tools studios use to help influence your JUDGEMENT trying to persuade you to put money down on their product. And movies are entirely different from Video Games (where the gameplay affects your judgement) or books (where a single sentence at the end of a good book can completely change the meaning of the whole story). Movies exist in a space where for about 2 hours you sit there and passively absorb thing shown to you.

And it’s not like I’ve come to this conclusion on a whim either. I’ve been following the development of this movie SINCE IT WAS ANNOUNCED. I’ve followed the troubled script, the bizarre casting choices, had to sit through the disturbing character designs, watching as the studio flubs their intentions, etc etc. I’ve actually spent probably more mental attention to this film than nearly everyone combined has going to see it in theaters.

I don’t NEED to see the film to know what I think about this movie, just like I don’t NEED to see Guardians of the Galaxy to know what to think about THAT movie. Movies are one of the rare exceptions where you usually CAN “judge a book by it’s cover.”

BTW: as a side note (because I know someone will bring it up) I would expect the same of people viewing MY content as well. I do not by any stretch of the imagination expect people to read the 300+ comic strips of SYAC to know if they “like” it or not. That would be asinine of me. You should not, nor do I expect you to, have to go through everything I’ve ever produced to get an idea on if you like my work or not. So why should a movie be any different? If I’ve seen enough clips and behind the scenes things to determine “nope, this is not for me,” why is that “not enough” for some of you?

You’re one of those “this movie ruined my childhood memories” people
No I am not.

See, this is the part getting ignored about my criticisms against this film. I do not begrudge it existing. If producer Michael Bay wants to make a TMNT movie, then by all means let him. My problem isn’t that they “butchered my nostalgic memories” of TMNT... my problem is that it’s just a BAD MOVIE IN GENERAL.

The general consensus from critics is that this is the WORSE iteration of the TMNT franchise to date, including TMNT 3: Turtles in Time. I don’t begrudge Michael Bay for making a movie. I begrudge Michael Bay for making a BAD movie.

You just hate Michael Bay
No, actually, I do not. In fact there are a couple movies of his that I ENJOY. I liked “The Rock” and I liked “Armageddon.” I also even enjoyed the first “Transformers” movie to a degree. I think he has a unique and recognizable style and I do not hate the man since he’s usually very passionate about what he DOES like.

But Bay can be lazy at times. Like mentioned before, he didn’t really want to do the other two Transformers sequels. He only did them because the studios pretty much forced him to do them... and it shows. Go watch “Pain and Gain” and compare it to the transformers sequels and tell me which one has more passion put behind it.

(Also it should be noted that Michael Bay didn’t even MAKE this movie. He only produced it, which means he funded the film. He wasn’t directing it. So I don’t even really “hate him” for doing TMNT since he didn’t really have much to do with it.)

If you want to make fun of it, go see it.
Uh.. No.

I’ve asked people to not see the movie this opening weekend because I want the movie to suffer as a result. I am NOT asking for a boycott, because I know people WILL see the movie anyway. I am only asking that people not see it for opening weekend because that is where the most money will be made and determine if the movie is a hit or a flop. If you want to spend money to see the film, by all means do so. That’s your choice.

However, it’s also MY choice to not spend money on it. I do not want my money going to the studios. I do not want to support this film in any way. So no, I will not be seeing the movie until it comes out on DVD when the damage is pretty much over.

This is the same reason I won’t watch movies like “Enders Game.” The writer of that particular film is big into the anti-gay agenda, and I can’t support him for it. Voting with my wallet is pretty much the ONLY choice I have in Hollywood.

I just wanna turn my brain off and watch explosions
First off, why the hell are there explosions in a TMNT movie? There should be kung-fu fighting with swords and weapons and lots of martial arts movies akin to a Jackie Chan movie. That aside, I still hate this mentality: The idea that a shitty movie becomes good if you turn off your brain. Fuck that.

Like I’ve mentioned before, pretty much all of the Marvel movies so far are popcorn mindless entertainment. You can watch practically every single one by shutting off your brain and having fun. You don’t have to think about deep meanings. Nobody working on them is gonna win an oscar for best “performance.” And there are a lot of explosions and crazy set pieces to keep everyone entertained.

They’re also just... well.. BETTER MOVIES.

Ya know... movies like Independence Day, 2012, and White house Down are dumb movies. But they're dumb movies that are WELL MADE. 2012 has some amazing set pieces and knows just how to wrangle the special effects to give you everything you could hope to see in a disaster movie. White house down is die-hard in the white house with obama. Independence Day set the precedent of the summer blockbuster experience. They're all stupid stupid movies... but they're WONDERFULLY executed. The people making them ENJOYED making them. They had FUN with what they produced... and it SHOWS!

That’s pretty much my issue here. I reject the notion that action films can’t be competently well made. I reject the belief that if an explosion goes off it automatically makes the movie “bearable” to watch. I reject the idea that we should settle for less when MILLIONS OF DOLLARS are being spent on these films. I reject the idea that bad acting should be given a free pass because “it’s for kids.” All of those things are toxic poisonous mindsets that only go to lessen the movie watching experience for everyone.

to borrow a quote from user NWolfman:
The "turn your brain off" mentality implies that the creators of something strictly entertaining can't take their project any more seriously than the audience. And it perpetuates the belief that making something truly great is too difficult or is too complicated for someone of average intelligence.

In the end, tho, the ones to blame for movies like Ninja Turtles are the people who go to see them, because all they do is prove the studio moguls right that they will be entertained by anything they're told to. When expectations are lowered, standards are lowered and effort become weaker and eventually it gets so bad that we hit rock bottom.


The Bottom Line
I am not saying you are stupid for liking the new TMNT.
I am not saying you can’t enjoy the new TMNT.
I am not saying Michael Bay shouldn’t be allowed to make a TMNT movie if he wants to.
I am not saying this movie ruined TMNT.

What I am saying is that it severely depresses me to see people bend over backwards and be apologetic towards a movie that insults your intelligence, wastes the talents of all the people involved, and ultimately produces an inferior version of things we’ve already got. I can see the ripple effect this movie is going to have on upcoming films, and it annoys the crap out of me. I don’t want this movie to succeed because I know what it means for future projects, and what it says about us collectively as a people.

This TMNT film is the movie equivalent of Rob Liefield and comics from the 90’s. Pumped up on testosterone to look “bad ass,” filled with vapid and stupid characters, women who are only there for attractiveness, and designed to play up the notion that this is a “mature” film when it’s actually grossly “immature.” Violence, muscles, adult speak, and sexual innuendoes are not inherently “mature.” Often times movies (and video games for that matter) add these elements because it makes it LOOK more mature than it actually is. This is not to say that a violent, sex filled, adventure movie can’t be good or mature... but that the way it’s often done is grossly immature.

It’s kinda like how The Dark Night and Watchmen were trying to make a point through their violence and adult themes... but comic artists at the time didn’t understand this so they just added violence to THEIR books in an attempt to emulate the same thing... losing all the context and substance that makes The Dark Night and Watchmen staples of comic book history today.

It depresses me that in the year 2014... this same mentality (that ultimately brought down the comic book industry in the 90’s) is STILL in effect today in mainstream movies. It depresses me that we can just throw money at special effects, ignore acting and editing and competent film making, and still make a “hit movie.”

THAT is why this movie offends me so much. THAT is why I won’t be seeing it. THAT is why I’m encouraging people to wait at least a week before seeing it. When shit like this does well... we’re only encouraging more of the same. Why bother making a Lord of the Rings or a Captain America 2: Winter Solider when dredge like THIS makes millions?

And by the way... something like this has happened before. Disney in the 70’s and early 80’s was failing with their films. Their movie The Dark Cauldron got killed at the box office by... The Carebears Movie. Seriously. And from that bad experience, Disney was thinking about closing their department and quitting doing 2-D films entirely. After all.. why bother putting money into something that can be beaten by a film that cheap and poorly produced?

So yeah... I’m not against this movie being made. I think we should have a new live action TMNT movie. I’m against a movie being put together this badly. With obvious script issues, bad acting, bad special effects, contrived plots, and shallow boring pointless moviegoing experiences. I WANT there to be EFFORT put into this type of movie. I want the actors to CARE about what they’re doing. When Megan Fox says “fans need to fuck off complaining because they’ll see it anyway”... she’s right. And that depresses me to my core.
  • Mood: Frustrated
  • Listening to: Daft Punk - Harder Better Faster Stronger
  • Watching: An Idiot Abroad - Season 2
  • Playing: Marvel Puzzle Quest
  • Eating: Pizza
  • Drinking: Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.
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jnsucker12 Featured By Owner Edited Aug 26, 2014
Okay, here.

I disagree with your opinion on that the ninja turtle harassed her, hell, he said nothing of the sort, but here's a video of it I found on Youtube.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO7TsK…

And this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=98nq5i…
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DuckieNinjas Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with most of what you said... the only things I personally think differently are the whole "Judging a movie by its trailor" and "wanting a movie to suffer". There are countless times where I saw trailers and thought to myself "Wow... that looks like the shittiest thing ever" and then I am somehow forced to watch it on DVD later and have it end up being my favorite movie ever, and I usually feel awful for having judged it so harshly in the first place.... Trailers show you what the directors or whoever is in charge of them want you to see. Sometimes its for the better, sometimes for the worse. I remember with Megamind, I loved the trailer and the movie seemed funny, yet the actual movie itself was boring to me because they exposed most of their jokes in the commercials and it just wasn't what I expected it to be from what I had gain from the trailers.

Wanting a movie to suffer...it just... it does suck when something ridiculous becomes popular... but there are a lot of people who put a lot of hard work into their jobs (ie special effects people, animators etc) and to have someone bash their movie must make them feel awful... and well... any scenario where you just want people to feel bad is just a nasty scenario in general. Its the same with artists, maybe they drew something that was half assed or just a doodle, but if there was a guy out there bashing it and wanting other people to think the same as well (even if it was mediocre) they would still feel bad because that piece of art was still theirs and they did want everyone else to see it too.

Also when I say this I dont mean to say TMNT IS THE BEST YOLO SWAG whatever... I'm just saying for movies in general its not the best mindset to have.... Heck you could most certainly be right and it is shit, its just that I haven't seen it so I plan on staying as neutral about it as possible, and if I ever see it and it does indeed suck, THEEEN I'll think negatively about it. And by some chance its good then its good. But for now neutral. Neither nay or yay. :)
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Anonymous-Koala Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
about the it's just for kids,wow,that's what i'm saying!(not that it's just for kids,i mean what you said about it).
last time i watched a movie,the commercials were horrible,their level was so low,yet,then i watched a propper movie and wow,the difference between the two was incredible(how to train your dragon 2 if anyone is interested, i went with a few friends.).

agreed about guardians of the galaxy,even before i went,i know it's gonna be great, and ever since i watched TMNT's trailer i knew shit's coming.

i agree about explosions, besides,when you see it sometimes in a movie(again, i don't even know what the hell explosions has to do with TMNT,in any memory i have of them explosions weren't even close.) then it has an effect, but when you see it for so much time it has no effect,watch iron man 3 for an example,first mandarin explosions were exciting,afer that not so much.

i disagree on what you said on marvel movies,some lack logic in a very bad way,but some are great,i never turned off my brain while watching them and i had fun,look at captaim america the winter soldier,it had logic,but i do agree they're not having deep meanings,iron man 3 had a chance to have deep meanings(so many technology meanings) but it chose to be crap load of explosions instead, and that pissed me off.

Thor 2 should have been darker,i mean,think of thor,but nope,it didn't had that meaning.

Captain america the winter soldier came closer.

Guardians of the galaxy,as much as it was great even if you don't turn off your brain,no deep meaning.

and the thing that brings me down is the upcoming ant man movie,ant man is my favorite hero,but it seems like they will just turn him to a side character(hank pym i mean),which is bad because he has a message,a personality,he's Schizophrenic and that's why i love him, but they don't show it, they treat it like a horrible movie in my opinion and worst,yellojacket,one of the most amazing stories when it comes to hank,is another guy,and is just a villain,and that's horrible(hank had his worst personality as yellojacket,slapping his wife,making robots,etc.)


oh,and have you seen iron man 3? one of the best examples for what you said, they could easily have turned it into a black mirror type of a situation with technology,but they chost to go on the explosions track.

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Phyllipa Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I think you may mean Black Cauldron? Otherwise, I agree with pretty much everything you just said.
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Pikafaa Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well at least we still have the tmnt 2012 cartoon, that is made by people who actully care and love tmnt....
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PunchieTheNeko Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2014  Student Filmographer
I'm sure Wikiquote and IMDB have TMNT quotes by now. That might be of some help.
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Digimanbyte Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I suppose this movie will define this year as what not to do when trying to make a movie to appease everyone from a single franchise. I am not saying your wrong in your opinion, infact I share most of the views you pointed out. Clearly this movie should actually have been a passionate spectacular revival of a series that would bring all turtle fans from every generation together to celebrate. What you say seems to support what other critics and people who have seen it said that while it was entertaining it was also quite lazy in other areas, where it shouldn't have been. That is clearly no excuse or defense for a movie, when there is no passion involved and all it is a venue to get you to throw your money at it just so Hollywood executives can enjoy luxurious dinners that is a sad avenue for the art of the cinema.

But I have to disagree with you on some points, even though this film was clearly meant to grab you money it's usually a necessary evil of the industry even in art there are some who just do it just to get fat wads of cash. But TMNT 3, that was utter garbage. The scars of my inner child as I saw that film haven't faded and I think thats why so many people have to defend this movie. Most have expected this movie to bomb, infact all through it's production was that it was going to be terrible, shred the canon (Pun intended) and turn a childhood memory into a traumatic experience. When they did see it how they were surprised that it was half as entertaining. I suppose that's why it has been more successful because of it. The franchise itself was such heap of floating feces in a sewer that seeing something smell less gross was more appealing. Remember the franchise did ice skating musicals or the VHS of
TMNT - We Wish You a Turtle Christmas? There was no way to go except up.

Finally I have learned that listening to critic's opinions of movies should be taken with a huge grain of salt I have listened to critics bad mouth movies that they think are trash, when I go watch them on DVD it turns out I found it enjoyable to watch. There have only been a few rare instances where there was a movie a critic said was garbage I ended up stopped watching and there were also ones where they praised I stopped watching because of the sheer pretentious crap the film was spouting itself didn't resound with me.

Either way please don't get depressed about this nonsense. As a turtles fan there has only been one movie I would always remember with fondness and no amount of Micheal Bays, etc will take that away. I hope you know which movie I am indicating.
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Bobikus Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014
You need to learn to relax.  Go smoke some weed or something.
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CAT02 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
In regards to the judging the trailer, I disagree with you in that regard. A trailer could entice you to see a movie that's crap or make you think a movie is something it's not. Case in point: Jersey Boys. When watching the trailers, I expected it to be the high energy musical I saw on stage, but when I actually saw the movie, it was completely different. 
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JoKeR0720 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Went and saw it this weekend, and I enjoyed myself. It jumped the shark a few times, but I really didn't care. People expect amazing stories from TMNT or Transformers, not realizing they weren't great as the cartoons either. I just wanted to support my friends who made it, so they can continue to have their jobs. 
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businesscatplz Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
So I went to see this movie today. In a sold out viewing that was at least the second sold out viewing of the day. And I really enjoyed this movie. It wasn't the best but it was hardly the movie for you to ask people to boycott. I don't get your hatred of this movie, a movie you have no intention of seeing but judge harshly like you know everything about it. Yeah I saw where you said you researched it. But you are judging the movie itself, you should have seen it. You'd find out that there were "worse" things in the movie besides Mikey's lil quips. And even then it wasn't bad. I get it, you are against the production issues and such but who are you to tell people to not see a movie, when you have not seen it. And at this point you shouldn't see it, because you are going to sit there and watch for all the things you hate. I hope you take a break from the net and calm down and relax because you need it.
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superjay15 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I don't usually comment but I just want to make a note. Why do people always read things the wrong way? I'm talking about when you said that he is "asking to boycott the movie". Clearly he said he isn't asking people to boycott. He just wants people to wait a week after the premier because the premier is when they make the most money. As for the rest of his rant, I have no comment on that because I don't have an opinion yet about this movie. I just wanted to point out about people reading things the wrong way. It happens a lot with many people. Ok I'm done. :)
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TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
www.comicbookmovie.com/fansite… 

:3 its getting a sequel. thank god i supported by seeing it satureday. 
but really with online pre-tickets, the tmnt fandom, 30 year old fans, 
kids, it was gonna succeed anyway. cant wait for 2016!
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Shadowofboston Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
After Nickelodeon bought them it was ruined. Anyone can like or dislike anything they want. Very good points were made here. The 1990 movie was a perfect blend of the comics and first cartoon. This was a designed planned effort to make as much money as possible. A real fan would be offended by being taken advantage of I'd think. A good example is Dragon ball.GT.
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Shadowjugement Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014
After Nick bought them they were ruined? Have you watched the Nickelodeon cartoon? Its amazing. That and the ongoing comic that is running right now are both incredible. The cartoon, while definitely being its own thing pays enough respect to the previous iterations of the franchise in a non overbearing way, and the comic merges all previous incarnations together beautifully. 
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Shadowofboston Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yes I have. 
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NickinAmerica Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014
I think it's a good middle ground between the 80s toon and the 4kids toon. Not too silly, and not too grim. It's just fun and exploding with character. Rarely does an episode not make me laugh or make my eyes go wide at some point.
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TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
uh-huh. well i'm a fan. and i imbraced all incarnations of tmnt. and i dont think nick ruined the franchise. i think they are keeping it alive and well. the creators wouldnt have sold them if they didnt think it would have been taken well care of. 

but whatever. the shows popular with fans and children. thats shows a very good sign for the future.
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NickinAmerica Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014
I just want to be clear that I think this cartoon is great and so I do support it, because I want to encourage more quality entertainment like that. Again, if you let yourself be satisfied with whatever you get, you tell the higher ups that they can get away with doing as little work to entertain you as possible.
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businesscatplz Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
Exactly. I'm super happy to see Turtles in movies more live action movies again. Been a fan since I was little in the 80s. 
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TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
mmmhmm. ^^
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Shadowofboston Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
It means laird was done with his creation, which started out as a parody (many seem to forget this or ignore it) You can do whatever you want it's just my opinion that these sort of franchises do not need new material forever and ever because nothing lasts forever but capitalism is based on the idea that resources and "things" last forever. 
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TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
whatever you say dude
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you a real person?
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TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
more like a real fan.
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NickinAmerica Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014
So in order to be a "real" fan of something, you have to blindly support every iteration of that thing out of sheer brand loyalty because it has the character's faces on it, regardless of how good or bad the actual product is? No, that's just being a fanboy. That's like a Sonic fan who buys every single game that's released not to have fun, but to support whatever has Sonic's face on it.

The new TMNT movie is all right. But that's the problem. It's JUST all right. Not outstanding, not amazing, not great. We need to have standards, we need to be more discerning. We can't just let ourselves be pleased by anything they give us, or they'll give us the bare minimum of effort because, hey, clearly that's all it takes to satisfy us, right? We'll be happy with anything we get, like pigs eating slop. And the more films like this we support, the more we lower that bar, the more standards fall, and the worse movies in general will get over time.

Granted, 2014 has been a pretty great year for movies so far, but I can't help thinking that'll change in the years to come thanks to movies like this being successful.
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TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i loved th movie for what it is. the story's decent. i love the the designs. i like it because i like it. doesn't make me a sheep. 

when i came out of that theater i hoped it made enough for a sequel. and i knew it would succeed because of the 30 year olds who remember the show, the tmnt fans who didnt spew hate since day one, children, and the fangirls who find the new turtles hot.

infact as we speak my gf is watching it right now in the theater.
and she seen it four times.  of course she texted me there are kids in the rows. so most likely its also because of the kids who help boost sales for the movie.

like i said, i look forward to the sequel. like the transformers movies, it'll help keep the franchise alive in the coming years.

the only reseason why i accepted the designs because they reminded me of the next mutation series.

and in all honesty, this movie is a hell of alot better than that shitty tmnt 3 movie where they go to the past.

further more i think the reason it became the way it is-is because the film makers were trying way too hard to please the angry fanboys. they really should just ignore them. but hey, first movie's out of the way. second should expand.

 all in all, i will say i enjoyed this because i didn't whine and piss my pants over changes. being a fan is embracing every incarnation of tmnt. so far the only one i didn't like was that aweful japanese version they had in the late 90s. 

every cartoon, movie, and comic i look at it with an open mind. 


in the end, all i care is turtles. in every shape and form. 
doesn't make me a sheep. just makes me a fan.  

and while i did have some minor problems with the film. 
it'll pick up in the sequel. like the star trek reboot which had more of the characters interacting a little more than they did in the first film.
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mck-mck Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
Dude, I seriously came here to post the same thing about there being a sequel:

uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/08/…
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Hinata1313 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow... you really made your point there. I agree with you. After seeing the first trailer my inner voice said 'nope', and I'm not going to act against it.
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tomllama2 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
"I refuse to watch films like Ender's Game due to the writer's anti-gay agenda" While this is of course your decision it feels like flawed logic. If it turned out Stanley Kubrick wasn't big on gay marriage it wouldn't change my opinions of his films. I liked Ender's Game as a film, the writer's personal views are nothing to do with it (unless of course they're prevalent in the movie, but as far as I could tell they weren't.) Not to mention a film is a complex creation between hundreds or thousands of people, one person's views as part of that group are a pretty small factor. 
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I pay to see the movie... Money goes to him... Money he can use to continue to fund his anti-gay agenda.

That's not flawed logic. That's taking into account the extra baggage that having night political views entails.

I said the same thing about Shadow Complex. A video game written by him. The game might be good, but I am not in any way going to support him by giving him money.
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tomllama2 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
"fund his anti-gay agenda" but that doesn't make any sense, unless he's literally starting campaigns and picketing governments about it. If someone commissions you are they funding your feminist agenda or just paying you as an artist? It's not like you'd use that money to print feminist leaflets and hand them out or something. 

I wouldn't, for example, pay money to watch a film based on views that I don't agree with, because then you would be funding the filmmaker's agenda. But I think in other cases it's important to be able to separate the work from the creator a certain degree. If for example it turned out that the artists or writers of Watchmen were mysogynists and disagreed with giving women the vote would you stop buying their comics/watching their movies?
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uh... He was literally donating thousands of dollars to anti-gay campaigns and using his own money to fund the "proposition-8" thing in California a while back. Money he owns DOES go to whatever HE decides it should.

And yeah. If people pay me money, I'm sorry but that money is gonna go towards pro-feminist things and I would not begrudge ANYONE who is against feminism for not wanting to give me their money. I freely accept this fact.

And yes. I would and have stopped watching movies and reading books or listening to songs when I've found out the artists behind them were awful people in that way. This is why I can't support the creator of Earthwork Jim and refuse to spend money on any game with that character.
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Jingai-Jigokumoto Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
lol
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WedgieKnight Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
I agree with your reasoning but I still think a movie needs to be judged a whole. 

Sometimes previews arent always the best scenes. 

Granted its a good way to judge if you think you will like or hate it. 

THe passion with which you hate this movies seems out of place. I'm not saying pay to see it. Odds are you will hate it. I guess its just a semantic argument.  I don't think you can honestly KNOW with 100% certainty that you hate the movie without seeing it. You can know you hate what you have seen and guess that you will hate the movie as a whole but you cant know for sure. But theres no one saying you have to prove you will hate it by seeing it. Again odds are if you think you will hate it you will. But there is always that slim chance you might be wrong. I thought Frozen looked stupid but I ended up loving it. I even had my doubts about Guardians. Now for a movie I thought was going to be great but I was disappointed in was Olympus Has Fallen. It was die hard but the previews didn't really show that to me. I thought it was going to be an army focused movie instead of just one mans fight.


What my biggest problem is is you questioning the effort put into this movie. There is no way to know if they enjoyed making the film and how much effort was put into it. 
Just because the end result may not have worked doesn't mean effort wasn't put into it.  bombs happen for better or worse. 
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Watch White House Down. It's everything the movie Olympus Has Fallen was suppose to be.

My problem is more or less people being apologetic about shitty filmmaking. I could give a list of all the cinema sins TMNT (and by extension Michael Bay) pulls and explain in detail why I dislike those things and why they're bad filmmaking. I could also compare and contrast other silly but stupid movies that DO know how to make action work and know about proper filmmaking. I mean, White House Down is a fine example. Roland Emmerich KNOWS how to compose a shot. You can't just shake a camera or spin it 360 around something and expect it to just "mean" something. There needs to be a reason for why you're doing it, and from what I've seen and heard TMNT falls into this trap A LOT.
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WedgieKnight Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014
I need to see if its on netflix.... I have wanted to see it.

I admire your passion but sometimes you have to accept things are out of your control and let it go. Saves on a lot of stress. 

(and for the record that was not intentionally a frozen reference)
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Wisdom-Thumbs Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I DID sit through Ninja Turtles today. I wish I hadn't. I wish so fucking much I'd just watched something productive instead. Like porn. Or paint drying. In fact, I'm glad I pirated the movie. If I'd spent money on it I would never forgive myself.

And then I went and watched Guardians of the Galaxy in theaters, 3D, and was rewarded with free cookies and bargain-priced amazing pizza.
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I-Am-DeVan Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
You can’t judge a movie you haven’t seen!
I absolutely can. 

Not accurately.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Strongly disagree.
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Alexander-Brandt Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014   Writer
I can understand your position to an extent, but until you see the movie, your rants are based on brief glimpses of seen in trailers or on the opinions of others who watched the movie for you. If you intend to criticize the movie, you should see it.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Buy me a ticket and I will. On principal I am not going to spend my hard-earned cash on something I don't think is worth my time/money.

Also, does that mean I should expect everyone who criticizes my work to have viewed EVERY comic or illustration I've ever made before criticizing me? Because that's honestly insane and unrealistic. If a game has bad controls do I have to suffer through the game to get a 100% completion before I can make an "objective" opinion about the game?

I'm sorry but I disagree. And it's not like I'm going off of JUST the trailers. I've been following the production for YEARS. I know the script. I know why scenes were cut. I know why the Shredder was changed. I know why his scenes make no logical sense in the movie anymore compared to what the original script said. I know all this because I've been tracking the development of the movie based on what the producers, actors, and journalists have been saying/reporting AS WELL AS the clips and trailers and other journalistic criticisms. This is not some sort of opinion I just formed over night on a whim.

And if I see the movie and I actually like it, i will formally apologize for my wrong opinions. Willingly and gladly.

But I sure in hell am not paying to see it. Either buy me a ticket, or wait till it's on Netflix or Red Box for $1.
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Alexander-Brandt Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014   Writer
Then you should refrain from criticizing the product as a whole, since you do not yet have the experience to do so.

The difference between someone criticizing you as an author despite not viewing all of your work, and criticizing TMNT without seeing the entire movie, comes from a difference in mediums. Most of your strips are self-contained, and can be seen as completed works. A film is longer, and requires more than a few seconds of observation to complete.

Knowing snippets about the movie is not the same as knowing it. You should watch it for the same reason I read the Twilight Saga, Fifty Shades of Grey, and Wizard's First Rule before speaking negatively about them.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well I strongly disagree with that absurd mindset.

I don't need to read Twilight or 50 Shades to know they're bad.

I reject the notion that you MUST observe a thing 100% to form an opinion and have valid criticisms about it. That's absolute nonsense and seems to be a rule designed around the concept that "objectivity" is the ONLY form of valid criticism possible. Fuck that mindset.

And if we take your hypothosis further... then that means I can't write a book about a mountain climber because I've personally never been a mountain climber right? I can't write a book about someone stranded on an island because it's never happened to me? Because that's essentially what you're saying here. "Then you should refrain from criticizing the product as a whole, since you do not yet have the experience to do so." If we extrapolate that belief then I'm not technically allowed to write or talk about anything I haven't ever experienced before. And I'm sorry but... fuck that.
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Alexander-Brandt Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014   Writer
Now you're creating a strawman.

I'm not talking about limiting your creations based on your real life experiences. We're talking about viewing something in its entirety before criticizing it.

If you attempt to attack anything without viewing it, be it a movie, a book, or a comic, then you are attacking it based on incomplete information, often on heresay (such as those people who parrot the opinions of better paid critics). In your journal, you admit that you've drawn your conclusions based on trailers and interviews.

You do not have a valid complaint with the movie yet. Do you have a valid issue with the premise? With aspects of the movie observable from the trailer, such as the design of the Turtles? Absolutely. But at this point, your opinion about the movie as a whole is invalid because you are jumping on a hate bandwagon.

Was TMNT any good? Eh. Was it terrible? Another eh. To me, it hovered in that little pocket of mediocrity reserved for films that have zero impact on me, but don't offend me. However, unlike the conclusion you've drawn in your journal, it is a conclusion based on viewing the entire film.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well then I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree.

If someone were to, say, watch 10 minutes of "Biodome" and determine that the movie wasn't for them, I'm not gonna "call them out" on having not seen the entire movie BEFORE coming to a conclusion. Their negative experience ABSOLUTELY justifies their ability to walk out and be critical of what they DID see. We are not robots, and I am sick and tired of people like you saying people's opinions "don't matter" because they didn't sit 100% through a shitty movie, book, comic, or game.

I'm also sorry you wasted your time sitting through the movie to only give it a "meh." Unlike you, I value my time and money more than that. And if something is clearly NOT going to deliver value to me, I am not going to sit here and waste my time/money on it.
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I-Am-DeVan Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I can respect that but I also disagree.
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nightmairdragon13 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
people are mad at someone being a conosur of movies! I get this same reaction when I tell people I don't like Jim Carrey movie.oh no she didn't "How can you not like Jim Carrey?"  I find no enjoyment in someone trying to act like a live action Wile E. Coyote. I have no problem with people watching and enjoying his movies, but don't stuff it in my face. My friend said that I have a sophisticated sense of humor, and if that is what people are going to call mature sense of humor fine.   
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FengFuXi26 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Student General Artist
You should give his more serious roles a shot. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is fantastic and breath of fresh air from his usual over the top zaniness. It's also a unique and touching movie about relationships. 
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Zeldagamer5000 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Student General Artist
This was what I felt when the live action version of Avatar the Last Airbender came out. At first I was super excited, "my favourite cartoon will finally be an amazing LA movie with awesome effects!" and what did I get? a dry movie with none of the humor from the cartoon, actors that don't match the cartoon characters, and a lot of missing elements. The whole "firebenders can't make fire on their own" shit really pissed me off among other things. It shows how much the fans of the cartoon hated the movie, because they never attempted another one. The first time I saw a TMNT comercial, my thought was "what the hell?" I don't know who designed those characters, but those are not the turtles I remember. I haven't seen many commercials for this movie, but I am not at all excited for it. So many movies have failed me, especially ones based on books. Percy Jackson was okay, if you had NEVER touched the actual books, and Sea of Monsters just fell to shit. Just slapping a popular book name on a movie does not make it good. Harry Potter, while still not strict to the books, is one of the best book to movie translations I have ever seen. In general, movies are gettin shittier. There's the occasional good movie that is "revolutionary", but the revolution never lasts long. Hollywood needs to see blogs like yours so they can finally learn. I know you probably won't read all of this, but if you did, thanks for sticking with my rant
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