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So uh... yeah this got out of hand pretty quickly:
SYAC - Be Quiet by TomPreston

I'll be honest. I wasn't expecting the backlash to be so violent. But I guess I should expect this sort of thing whenever it comes to video games. At any rate, a lot of stuff is being thrown around haphazardly and I wanted to address some of the main complaints/defenses about my criticism of Quiet's design.

"She's got camo skin! She's dressed this way for a reason!"
You know, you can come up with any number of reasons for a character to be scantly clad. But at the end of the day it's still a scantly clad conventionally attractive female character. Not to put to fine a point on it but having Mystique walk around naked because her skin changes color doesn't stop her from being a source of obvious pandering T&A. So I'm sorry, but that whole "you'll be ashamed for slut-shaming her" excuse doesn't hold water with me, especially after Kojima outright said that her design was to sell figurines and to troll cosplayers (read below).

"You don't understand! She's in the desert! It makes sense for her to dress light because of how hot it is!"
That's... not true at all. People wear a lot of clothes in the desert because otherwise you'll dehydrate quickly and burn under the sun. And at night the temperature can often drop drastically to below zero. Her outfit is in no way a realistic depiction of what you'd wear in the desert.

"You don't understand what sexism is! she's dressed this way on her own free will! Don't tell women what they can or can't wear!"
I'm not telling women what they can or can't wear. That's not sexism. What's sexist about this design is not the woman herself, but the creator choosing to design her this way. Ghost has no choice in the matter, but Kojima does.

Oh and for all those of you who can't find his tweets where he says that it was intentional, here you go:
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/st…
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/st…
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/st…

And if you're too lazy to click the links or even google this whole thing (seriously took me all of 2 seconds to look this stuff up so what on earth are you guys searching for that you can't find it?), here's a repost of what he said.

I've been ordering to Yoji to make the character more erotic, and he did it well. Recently I've been making characters this way. The initial target is to make u want to do cosplay or its figurine to sell well. Dear Cosplayer friends, something like this for example. pic.twitter.com/SWkN3BSDFy
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/…

So yeah... Quiet was designed first and foremost to sell figurines and troll cosplayers. He intentionally pushed her design to be that exploitative. She is not designed that way to tell anything significant about her character, she's designed that way because Kojima finds it "sexy."

And for those of you who don't understand how sexism works in this scenario. Let me break it down for you: Designing a character first and foremost to be objectified for the male gaze is a form of sexism.

Let me also be clear on a couple of other points that seem to be overlooked.
1. No one is saying women can't dress a certain way if they want to.
2. No one is saying this game is going to suck.
3. No one is trying to get sexy characters taken out of video games.
4. You can acknowledge a game has problems without outright hating and condemning it.
5. It's OK to be critical of things you love and you don't have to be so defensive if and when a problem is pointed out to you.

It is extraordinarily depressing to see people actively trying to refuse to see anything wrong with this situation. That sort of knee-jerk reflexive defensiveness only helps to perpetuate the continued sexism in the gaming/comic/geek industry. Being critical of her design isn't going to get your game taken away or the character banned. At best, being critical of her design will cause creators like Kojima to think more about trying to create interesting character designs instead of intentionally trying to pander to fan service. That would result in us getting more variety and uniqueness out of an industry that produces the same crap over and over and over again. And variety is the spice of life.

Even other game designers working in the industry feel that Quiet's design is bad. David Ellis of Halo fame tweeted this in response:
twitter.com/DavidEllis/statuse…
twitter.com/DavidEllis/statuse…
(third tweet deleted but it originally said that he felt the designs were lazy and exploitative)

Anyway, I had no idea that the Quiet design controversy was going to be THAT hostile and volatile. I still stand by my decision to include it in my comic, though, and I reserve the right to the opinion that the design of Quiet is lazy and blatantly obvious sexism at it's finest. Does not mean you can't still like MGS or Kojima. But, you know, even Miyamoto makes mistakes... it's ok to admit Kojima does too...
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:iconblueravemod:
Sooo...for example tattoo artists, yeah? Are they sexist for drawing/tattooing pinup girls in body revealing outfits?? Am i sexist for having so many sexy succubus drawings in my gallery? Are you suggesting there should be NO sexy drawings/characters ANYWHERE ever again? I'm just confused. Whatever happened to having the power to do something and mean completely the other thing. I mean like i said, my gallery is filled with pretty objectifying drawings, but it doesn't mean that is my view on women at all.
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People can be really stupid sometimes. Some just can't admit that videogames, movies or comics that they like are not 100% perfect. It's funny that sexism is still so widely allowed. I hope all the best for you, it must be pretty annoying to see all kind of comments from people who can't see what is sexism and what is not.
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GothicAnimeGirl Feb 3, 2014  Student Writer
Wow, didn't think someone as loved as you would get called co many names for telling the facts.  Just looking at randomthefox's comment makes me sad for this world if he really believes the shit he's spewing.
I feel bad for you having to take this, but I feel bad for everyone who stands up to women's rights to not be solely used as sex idols, including myself arrogantly enough.  This is any Anita can't get a break.
THANK YOU for saying something.  I wouldn't have found about about her design if you didn't mention it.
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leena92 Feb 1, 2014  New member
exactly 
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Ooooh, Preston says something ignorant, is called out for it, and starts playing the victim and only acknowledging the weak arguments levied against him to give the impression they are the only ones that were utilized and dismissing all other detractors as just more haters trying to silence your opinion.

I've never understood this hatred of cheesecake some people have. When I see porn I'm not into I just don't fap to it, I don't demand no one else be allowed to fap either. And the lengths one goes to justify this "my way or the highway for EVERYONE" orwellion mindset is nothing short of laughable.

Show me the scientific study done that shows a correlation between being exposed to cheesecake and disrespectful attitudes towards women. Then I might be inclinded to allow the idea that this mindset is based on any sort of reality and isn't just an irrational personal belief.

You can't, though, cuz they don't exist, cuz it doesn't fucking happen. Exposing someone who isn't sexist to sexist material doesn't subtly turn them sexist. People don't function that way. It's uninformed and ridiculous when that argument is used to claim playing violent video games causes people to be violent, and it's ridiculous here now.

Men who are sexist against women, or anyone who is prejudice against anyone for that matter, is so because of exposure to those groups that is minimal or limited to the point of nonexistence, or such encounters were overwhelmingly negative. This can range from someone being self important and lacking empathy and simply not regarding anyone else with much respect regardless of gender, or can be due to traumatic experiences that color all continued dealings with those similar to they who caused such experiences.

My point is this isn't something depictions of women in popular media causes, encourages, or even reenforces. And again, show me conclusive scientific evidence that says otherwise, or admit to believing in nothing more than an irrational personal belief that you've arrogantly decided should be objectively used and applied to everyone for one entitled reason or another. You might not like this sort of thing, but dressing it up as somehow ethically or morally "wrong" just makes you seem like an asshole.

(And don't pull the "it makes women feel insecure about themselves" trite. The only thing that "makes" someone (in)secure about themselves is themselves. The idea that we should baby these people and shelter them, or worse, censor others, for fear that they might accidentally be exposed to something that *gasp* makes em FEEL BAD is the kind of stupid thing we usually argue with concerned parents for saying should be done to protect children, let alone in regards to protecting grown adults. Self esteem comes from emotional support from others and or deep personal reflection to understand and accept oneself, not a lack of exposure to negative external sources.)
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Alon98 Dec 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Didn't you make a journal entry about drawing fetish art/scantily clad women NOT being sexist by nature to defend yourself doing it?
Yet you criticize Kojima for doing the same thing, knowing that he's probably got an in-depth, interesting story/personality for her, like he usually does with ALL MGS characters.
Dude, I used to worship you. Then you started to be a hypocrite. Like Anita. (And yes, I used the word properly, according to that same journal entry. Not that it matters - words change based on how people use them. That's how language evolves)
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Owlicopter Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The facts are pretty much irrelevant, when you bring up sexism chaos is always going to ensue and no body really cares what your argument is, only what "side" your on.
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"5. It's OK to be critical of things you love and you don't have to be so defensive if and when a problem is pointed out to you."

LOL you fucking hypocrite, people criticize your art in very intelligent and respectful way and all you do is toss their opinion away. You can't lecture people on something you don't even do yourself. I was skeptical about you but now I jump on the hate wagon. (won't do you much harm, i'm just not gonna browse your DA anymore and will spread the hatred whenever i'm drunk with my friends :) )
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ChristianEV Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
-which makes you a perfect example of people who do NOT criticize him in an intelligent and respectful manner.
Have you seen some of the stupid comments he has to deal with?
Honestly, people like you make me sad.
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