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So uh... yeah this got out of hand pretty quickly:
SYAC - Be Quiet by TomPreston

I'll be honest. I wasn't expecting the backlash to be so violent. But I guess I should expect this sort of thing whenever it comes to video games. At any rate, a lot of stuff is being thrown around haphazardly and I wanted to address some of the main complaints/defenses about my criticism of Quiet's design.

"She's got camo skin! She's dressed this way for a reason!"
You know, you can come up with any number of reasons for a character to be scantly clad. But at the end of the day it's still a scantly clad conventionally attractive female character. Not to put to fine a point on it but having Mystique walk around naked because her skin changes color doesn't stop her from being a source of obvious pandering T&A. So I'm sorry, but that whole "you'll be ashamed for slut-shaming her" excuse doesn't hold water with me, especially after Kojima outright said that her design was to sell figurines and to troll cosplayers (read below).

"You don't understand! She's in the desert! It makes sense for her to dress light because of how hot it is!"
That's... not true at all. People wear a lot of clothes in the desert because otherwise you'll dehydrate quickly and burn under the sun. And at night the temperature can often drop drastically to below zero. Her outfit is in no way a realistic depiction of what you'd wear in the desert.

"You don't understand what sexism is! she's dressed this way on her own free will! Don't tell women what they can or can't wear!"
I'm not telling women what they can or can't wear. That's not sexism. What's sexist about this design is not the woman herself, but the creator choosing to design her this way. Ghost has no choice in the matter, but Kojima does.

Oh and for all those of you who can't find his tweets where he says that it was intentional, here you go:
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/st…
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/st…
twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/st…

And if you're too lazy to click the links or even google this whole thing (seriously took me all of 2 seconds to look this stuff up so what on earth are you guys searching for that you can't find it?), here's a repost of what he said.

I've been ordering to Yoji to make the character more erotic, and he did it well. Recently I've been making characters this way. The initial target is to make u want to do cosplay or its figurine to sell well. Dear Cosplayer friends, something like this for example. pic.twitter.com/SWkN3BSDFy
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/…

So yeah... Quiet was designed first and foremost to sell figurines and troll cosplayers. He intentionally pushed her design to be that exploitative. She is not designed that way to tell anything significant about her character, she's designed that way because Kojima finds it "sexy."

And for those of you who don't understand how sexism works in this scenario. Let me break it down for you: Designing a character first and foremost to be objectified for the male gaze is a form of sexism.

Let me also be clear on a couple of other points that seem to be overlooked.
1. No one is saying women can't dress a certain way if they want to.
2. No one is saying this game is going to suck.
3. No one is trying to get sexy characters taken out of video games.
4. You can acknowledge a game has problems without outright hating and condemning it.
5. It's OK to be critical of things you love and you don't have to be so defensive if and when a problem is pointed out to you.

It is extraordinarily depressing to see people actively trying to refuse to see anything wrong with this situation. That sort of knee-jerk reflexive defensiveness only helps to perpetuate the continued sexism in the gaming/comic/geek industry. Being critical of her design isn't going to get your game taken away or the character banned. At best, being critical of her design will cause creators like Kojima to think more about trying to create interesting character designs instead of intentionally trying to pander to fan service. That would result in us getting more variety and uniqueness out of an industry that produces the same crap over and over and over again. And variety is the spice of life.

Even other game designers working in the industry feel that Quiet's design is bad. David Ellis of Halo fame tweeted this in response:
twitter.com/DavidEllis/statuse…
twitter.com/DavidEllis/statuse…
(third tweet deleted but it originally said that he felt the designs were lazy and exploitative)

Anyway, I had no idea that the Quiet design controversy was going to be THAT hostile and volatile. I still stand by my decision to include it in my comic, though, and I reserve the right to the opinion that the design of Quiet is lazy and blatantly obvious sexism at it's finest. Does not mean you can't still like MGS or Kojima. But, you know, even Miyamoto makes mistakes... it's ok to admit Kojima does too...
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Red-WereZ Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel like too many people don't understand the many distinctions between "sexualisation" "sexuality expression" and "sexual objectification".They can all seem pretty similar at a glance, particularly when it comes to visual aesthetics, but the differences are all important in how a media text (which covers anything under video games, television, online media, etc) can be analysed. This in no way can be called character expression or sexuality expression. Considering the context of the game, really, there is no way it can even be related to sexuality expression in any form. Considering the type of game, what sane character would be making an effort to be sexual/sexualised to express their sexuality within the context? Factoring in she is also not a real person and therefore not technically in control of her own appearance, her design is essentially being boiled down to an object. Sexualisation and sexuality expression are natural to the human species, and there is an extent to wherein that it is natural to show such as well. But this character's design has no worth other than merchandise and cosplays (maybe so he can go to these events and see cosplays of his character? I don't know) so this is pretty much objectification. Anybody who has covered video games in the realms of in-depth, media-based analysis can confirm this. It is just a blatant disregard for character and more about a pursuit of money and self-gratification. 
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015
Sexy characters like that break the suspension of disbelief.
Metal Gear is a series of games about giant robots, clones, psychics and swords able to cut giant robots into pieces.
But a woman voluntarily wearing a bikini? Preposterous!
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TakUser Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I heard that Kojima actually has a valid reason as to why Quiet is dressed this way.  Whether it's valid or not is heavily reliant on what the reason is when the game is released.  Time will tell.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Interestingly enough he only said that AFTER he started getting hate for his comments about wanting her skimpy design for cosplayers.
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TakUser Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the clarification. :)
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Samurai-Ribbons Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014
Whether people agree with you or not, these attacks on you personally and your art are low. 
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Sugar-Pig Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014
I don't have a problem with sexualizing characters. But it depends on the character and the context. As a long-time MGS fan, I'm disappointed with Quiet's character. Her character design strikes me as bland, generic and lazy. She seems to be sexualized to cover up that lack of thought that went into her design/character. I expect more from the Metal Gear team. 
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hunterN05 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014  Professional General Artist
I like her design :P

Good way to distract the enemies.
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bill2066 Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014
There's nothing wrong with sexualization
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
... In the appropriate situations, no.
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bill2066 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
No, never. Ever. Human beings are sexual in nature. To say that sexualizing humans devalues them, is to say sexuality devalues humanity. That's ridiculous. There is room in this world for big titties, and masculine men. Bayonetta, and Kratos. If you hate pandering, that's one thing, but sexuality is a beautiful thing, and flaunting it is fine.

Sexuality used to make me uncomfortable. Then my balls dropped.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And I agree.... to a point.

There ARE times when it's done incorrectly or inappropriately. For example here: Where he releases a pic of this half naked woman, completely devoid of context, and expects everyone to just "get on board" with this character because "he said so." AND, for the record, only AFTER he made inappropriate comments about designing her JUST to get women to cosplay as her at conventions.

OF COURSE there's room to appreciate all forms of sexuality and sexiness. No one is denying that. What people are upset about is that he back-treaded when people called him out on his sexist behavior. If he didn't want us to make judgements on PROMOTIONAL ARTWORK then he shouldn't have posted the PROMOTIONAL ARTWORK for us to make judgements on until we could have proper context to who this character is.
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bill2066 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
If you think it's inappropriate then okay. I can't convince you to not be offended at [thing] and that's okay. But "sexist" has a very specific meaning, and not just you, but I see it used a lot by people who don't fully appreciate what that word means. Sexism is the prejudice, hatred, discrimination of someone based on their sex. If you say Quiet's design is sexist, you are saying that Kojima did this with the intent of demeaning, degrading, or otherwise making feel inferior of women. I don't believe that was his intent and I don't think you do either. Is it insensitive? Perhaps. But sexism has connotations. Kojima didn't do this because he looks down on women (what sexism is). He did this because he wanted a sexy character.

inb4 "he's not sexist but what he DID is sexist" as if there's any substantive difference

inb4 "there really is a difference, honestly really"
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I used the word "sexist" because Kojima's attitude about Quiet was talking about how much he couldn't wait to see cosplayers dress as her and how he designed her specifically with the intent of getting women to dress up like her for conventions. Given her "attire" this comes across as kinda gross, implying that the only reason for her outfit being so bare was so that he could gawk at scantly clad women.

It wasn't until everyone started getting mad at what he said did he retread and start saying "oh but it's ok cuz there's totally a good reason for her being dressed this way and everyone who called me sexist will eat their words."

I don't know if Kojima himself is sexist, but I used the word because it best described what was happening before our eyes. Kojima is a human being, and humans make mistakes sometimes.
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stockings300 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014
Oh things can be like this...why can't it be like something good...like Sniper Wolf...a nice sensual like allure without all the sexist and practical uniform and cold blooded killer sniper that she was. Why can't they just go back to that sort of route?
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QueenZora Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm glad you made the comic, I'm glad you explained things here, and thank you for standing by both. I'm just sorry you needed to do either. I'm sure you get a deluge of stupid/angry comments when you post things like this, and I hope the "thank you"s outweigh them. If not, here's one more Thank You to try and balance out the vitriol.
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Timewap Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014
I must ask, and be honest. Why are we arguing about this?

Somehow I feel that we're all trying to well....wave our cocks in front of each other's faces. No one here is really doing anything. No one is going to organize a real life boycott or riot in the streets. I guess we just want to feel better about ourselves by what we stand by.

Fucking savages we be. No wonder why issues like this never get solved.
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FoxCunningTrickster Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2014
Thank you Preston :)
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BlueRaveMod Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist
Sooo...for example tattoo artists, yeah? Are they sexist for drawing/tattooing pinup girls in body revealing outfits?? Am i sexist for having so many sexy succubus drawings in my gallery? Are you suggesting there should be NO sexy drawings/characters ANYWHERE ever again? I'm just confused. Whatever happened to having the power to do something and mean completely the other thing. I mean like i said, my gallery is filled with pretty objectifying drawings, but it doesn't mean that is my view on women at all.
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Wesad Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
People can be really stupid sometimes. Some just can't admit that videogames, movies or comics that they like are not 100% perfect. It's funny that sexism is still so widely allowed. I hope all the best for you, it must be pretty annoying to see all kind of comments from people who can't see what is sexism and what is not.
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GothicAnimeGirl Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Student Writer
Wow, didn't think someone as loved as you would get called co many names for telling the facts.  Just looking at randomthefox's comment makes me sad for this world if he really believes the shit he's spewing.
I feel bad for you having to take this, but I feel bad for everyone who stands up to women's rights to not be solely used as sex idols, including myself arrogantly enough.  This is any Anita can't get a break.
THANK YOU for saying something.  I wouldn't have found about about her design if you didn't mention it.
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leena92 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2014
exactly 
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randomthefox Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
Ooooh, Preston says something ignorant, is called out for it, and starts playing the victim and only acknowledging the weak arguments levied against him to give the impression they are the only ones that were utilized and dismissing all other detractors as just more haters trying to silence your opinion.

I've never understood this hatred of cheesecake some people have. When I see porn I'm not into I just don't fap to it, I don't demand no one else be allowed to fap either. And the lengths one goes to justify this "my way or the highway for EVERYONE" orwellion mindset is nothing short of laughable.

Show me the scientific study done that shows a correlation between being exposed to cheesecake and disrespectful attitudes towards women. Then I might be inclinded to allow the idea that this mindset is based on any sort of reality and isn't just an irrational personal belief.

You can't, though, cuz they don't exist, cuz it doesn't fucking happen. Exposing someone who isn't sexist to sexist material doesn't subtly turn them sexist. People don't function that way. It's uninformed and ridiculous when that argument is used to claim playing violent video games causes people to be violent, and it's ridiculous here now.

Men who are sexist against women, or anyone who is prejudice against anyone for that matter, is so because of exposure to those groups that is minimal or limited to the point of nonexistence, or such encounters were overwhelmingly negative. This can range from someone being self important and lacking empathy and simply not regarding anyone else with much respect regardless of gender, or can be due to traumatic experiences that color all continued dealings with those similar to they who caused such experiences.

My point is this isn't something depictions of women in popular media causes, encourages, or even reenforces. And again, show me conclusive scientific evidence that says otherwise, or admit to believing in nothing more than an irrational personal belief that you've arrogantly decided should be objectively used and applied to everyone for one entitled reason or another. You might not like this sort of thing, but dressing it up as somehow ethically or morally "wrong" just makes you seem like an asshole.

(And don't pull the "it makes women feel insecure about themselves" trite. The only thing that "makes" someone (in)secure about themselves is themselves. The idea that we should baby these people and shelter them, or worse, censor others, for fear that they might accidentally be exposed to something that *gasp* makes em FEEL BAD is the kind of stupid thing we usually argue with concerned parents for saying should be done to protect children, let alone in regards to protecting grown adults. Self esteem comes from emotional support from others and or deep personal reflection to understand and accept oneself, not a lack of exposure to negative external sources.)
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Alon98 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Didn't you make a journal entry about drawing fetish art/scantily clad women NOT being sexist by nature to defend yourself doing it?
Yet you criticize Kojima for doing the same thing, knowing that he's probably got an in-depth, interesting story/personality for her, like he usually does with ALL MGS characters.
Dude, I used to worship you. Then you started to be a hypocrite. Like Anita. (And yes, I used the word properly, according to that same journal entry. Not that it matters - words change based on how people use them. That's how language evolves)
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Owlicopter Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The facts are pretty much irrelevant, when you bring up sexism chaos is always going to ensue and no body really cares what your argument is, only what "side" your on.
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Amphisbene Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
"5. It's OK to be critical of things you love and you don't have to be so defensive if and when a problem is pointed out to you."

LOL you fucking hypocrite, people criticize your art in very intelligent and respectful way and all you do is toss their opinion away. You can't lecture people on something you don't even do yourself. I was skeptical about you but now I jump on the hate wagon. (won't do you much harm, i'm just not gonna browse your DA anymore and will spread the hatred whenever i'm drunk with my friends :) )
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
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ChristianEV Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
-which makes you a perfect example of people who do NOT criticize him in an intelligent and respectful manner.
Have you seen some of the stupid comments he has to deal with?
Honestly, people like you make me sad.
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Amphisbene Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013
I'm pointing out the fact that even clever, respectful comments are tossed away and that he doesn't learn from those comments, because they are instantly dismissed and you don't care. I never said my comment was clever/respectful.
But that's ok, buddy.
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FakeTutour Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm actually ok with a character being designed just to sell figurines. The problem is when instead of being the exception, those characters are the norm.
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Church1MD Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
You picked the twitter posts saying why she looks sexy but not the ones where Kojima said it's explained in the game itself.
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PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2013
As a girl I don't find the design of the character to be sexist at all, she has a good personality and good character development. You should look past the design and focus more on the character herself.
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Neo-Zander Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm sensing back lash from this too...

Even if you do make some really valid points on several differnt levels.

And this is why I like reading your journals at times rather then watch CNN. 

Tom, DFTBA
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Colliequest Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not many women actually look like that anyway, so making all or most female video game characters look like society's definition of "hot" makes little sense.
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SavageAnemone Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You make very good points (that some people just blindly refuse to accept).

I just saw a comment about how men are objectified in games and I just had to comment (because apparently if a couple of males are objectified in games then that makes it OK for all the rest of the women, too... LOL. Not denying that this doesn't happen with male heroes in games sometimes. It does). Anyway, someone mentioned that men are "objectified" in games by being overly muscular. I needed to correct this as this is not "objectification" - according to official definitions at least. Unrealistic and difficult to achieve? Yes. But objectification? Absolutely NOT. The overly mascular hero is most of the times designed by male designers for a male audience under the "male gaze" so as to give the gamer the fantasy of extreme POWER. Because that's one of the things that most gamers usually desire (among other things obviously). If male gamers were not okay with this, they would have stopped making muscular male heroes long ago (just as they would have stopped making sexy females for the sole purpose of being eye candy). In other words, the majority of male heroes in games IN GENERAL are not objectified (with some exceptions) like women heroines are with their choice of body shape and outfit (chosen by the game designer, not the 3D models themselves). Anyway, I just can't stress enough how different these two situations are.

(I'm not talking about Quiet here but for the game industry in general).
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Internetexplorer968 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
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BloodRose2121 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like you. A lot. That was a fantastic comment and I agree all the way.
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SavageAnemone Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks so much! :D
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Pandamarium Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*Applauds loudly*  
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darklibralink Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You seriously deserve applause. 
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GunnerHead Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Mind if I join you??
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darklibralink Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Not at all~ 
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GunnerHead Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
*joins in the applause* (Congrats! You are now on my watch list!)
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darklibralink Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I watched you back~ 

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GunnerHead Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks!:D
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darklibralink Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome! 
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GunnerHead Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:D
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tucraz Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I'm actually finding this amusing. My wife likes games where she can dress her character in different outfits, ranging from long dresses to a thong and a skimpy top. Should I tell her to stop since the game is sexist? What about the games that have the guys who look like Rambo with muscles all over the place, being played by real-life guys who have a beer-keg belly instead of a six-pack? I understand where you are coming from, and yes it would be nice to have more choice in how the characters look and are dressed, but at the same time the industry has to put something out there that will sell. Sex is something most of the world is interested in, and it sells. While I'm not familiar with this particular character, game, or anything to do with this character, I have to agree with you on one point: I live in some mountains and made a trip to the desert. I drove for 12 hours wearing a tank top, shorts and sandals. As soon as I could, I found a store and bought a wide-brimmed hat, long-sleeved shirt, and long pants. I kept the sandals since they covered most of my feet anyway. Protection from the sun is a must while in the desert. If you want to escape the heat, turn on the ac, or find some shade. No one in their right mind is going to wear a skimpy outfit in a desert, even at night. I used a down-comforter to sleep in, and I was comfortable.
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ForeverMittens Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You shouldn't tell your wife to stop playing those games. She can dress her characters the way she wants to . Because it's something that's she's chosen to do it's not really sexist. An example of sexist is believing that women are useless, or that they're not tough, along with that, "I can't punch you because you're a girl." Or just liking a girl because she has big boobs.
So, dressing a character in skimpy clothes just for sexy merchandise is sexist. Sure, it's just one game, but several industries have been doing this, and sure, it sells. With how society is today, if a game creator had made a male character the same way, male gamers would be raging and insulting whoever bought the game for that sole purpose. Guys do that to games with sexy female characters, yet people don't have a problem with that.

Also, if you want a game that's pretty good with the diversity with the body, I would recommend saints row 3.
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tucraz Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I forgot to mention, she does the same thing with the guys. I tease her about it, but she just smirks at me and says 'They're hot.' While I'm not exactly fat, I'm not ripped either, and if she wants to look at a six-pack on some game char, I'm not going to fuss about it. Same thing for real life. The only thing I really find disturbing about games with sexy characters is if you're going to play those, keep the console in your bedroom or somewhere else private. After all, I know I for one have seen more indiscreet pictures on Facebook than I have on most video games.
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