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Took a peek at DA's new commission widget. Right idea, wrong execution IMO.

I'd much rather be able to accept actual money than DA's faulty and cumbersome point system, and the fact DA takes a "cut" of the commission money just for using the app is a really shitty move.

For example a $30 commission = 3000 points, but I would only get 2400 points or $24 according to the widget. That means DA is taking about a 20% cut of your earnings, which is bullshit. Also, the app only goes up to a maximum of 4000 points. So people who charge more than $40 can't use the app.

I'm probably not even doing the math correctly, it just seems overly laborious and frustratingly convoluted. I'm all for an app that makes taking commissions easier, and honestly 10 years was a LONG way to wait for such an app to finally be implemented.. It just needs refining.

It just makes more work for the consumers to force them to put down money to buy points (which DA takes a percentage of), only to allow them to pay for a commission from an artist where the artist loses a percentage (thanks again DA). People shouldn't have to pay for points and should be able to just pay the artist directly through paypal or however they want to be paid by a simple drop-down menu option. And if DA wants a cut for us using their app, it should be far less than 20%.

Apps like this are supposed to make the work load easier, and while it does make it somewhat lighter for the artist, it makes it more cumbersome for the potential clients. Like I said already, I like the idea but hate the implementation thus far. I'm sure it'll improve as time goes on, but for the moment it just seems kinda broken. 2 steps forward 1 step back.

IMO the only justifiable way to charge the artist 20% for their commission is if they aren't already paying a subscription fee. That way more people will want to buy the subscription service, the app is now free, DA still makes tons of money, while the artist and commissioner don't get screwed out of money. Everyone wins.

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You know what would be a fun little app that would be extraordinarily beneficial? An app that displays art from the galleries of users who recently visited the page. Kinda like the "favorites" app but one which shows other artist's work you probably wouldn't have seen otherwise. While not beneficial for everyone, for someone like me it would be very helpful because my page sees a lot of traffic and being able to display people's art just because they visited me right on my page would really help them get more views and attention. I dunno, just a thought...
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faeorain Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Oh, I forgot I wanted to comment about that other idea. So long as a visitors images widget is optional, I'd say it's not a bad idea. I'd most likely never use it myself because some pretty freaky people have visited my page and there are just some images here on DA that I'd prefer did not pop up on my profile page.
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faeorain Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I'm trying out the widget myself, just out of curiosity, both as a seller and a buyer, and I tend to agree with most of what you've wrote here. I've always felt the 20% was a bit steep, especially since they will get that cut, every time, from anyone who sells. Too bad it couldn't be an app that you pay for one time and can use indefinitely on your account...much like any other app for ipods/iphones and similar gadgets. That way developers still get paid for their work without artists getting taken to the cleaners.

I've requested some commissions in the past the old fashioned way, and so far, everything went okay with those requests...but at this moment, I'm waiting on two people, the only two I've paid for commissions through the widget, and nothing is happening with them. One of them is 3 weeks old now, the other just over a week old. They were low cost commissions because I wanted to test the system out, and I'm glad I chose low cost ones...I'd be more upset if I paid these people 1000 or more points only to have them not do the work. What some people may not realize, is that DA only allows 7 days for a refund from the time the artist accepts the commission. If you want to give them more time to work on it, you take a risk of losing those points if they don't come through. Also, DA states it's up to the buyer if they want to refund, but I'm thinking in cases where people don't do the work at all, it should be up to DA to make sure buyers get their points (money) back.
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Yzabel Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I haven't tried the widget, since I'm not able to work on commissions at the moment, but I pretty much agree. For starters, "4000 points" seems a lot to many people (who may not feel so squeamish if it was "30$", I think it's due to the same mind-tricking effect that makes us prefer to buy stuff priced at 9.99$ rather than 10$?). And I, like many artists, wouldn't know what to make of points anyway. I want to be able to pay my bills, not buy some fancy print on dA.

I probably wouldn't have better ideas to offer, though. But allowing to pay in REAL money would already be better. (And I like the idea of taking a commission only if the artist isn't already paying for a subscription.)
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strawberrynekos Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You can get it in real money. After you get paid, and 14 clearance period days have passed, then you can choose to change it to points or money.
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TAILS-FAN1 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
I like your idea for checking out art of others. Although, it works best when new people visit your page and you're very popular like you are.
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Sapphiresenthiss Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is it about points too, or only about money?
I mean, if I want 100 points for commish, will I get 100 or 80? :hmm:
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snowytony94 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Seeing as I neither work to nor request commisions, this doesn't affect me so much. But I see where you are coming from. A more reasonable percentage, say 5%, along with an unlimited payment total would perhaps encourage more people to use it.
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Snapai Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
You forgot one thing here- DA *also* takes a cut of any cash-to-points-to-cash transaction.
While 4000 points converts to $40, in order to buy 4000 points you have to give DA $50.

So a 4000 point commission costs $50 in realworld currency, but only earns you a max of $32.

That's an $18 dollar difference on $50, or basically DA is taking 36% of all money that goes into the commission system
(or charging a 56% fee if you are looking at the final dollar amount instead of the starting amount)
And that's a ripoff.

That's over 10x what Paypal charges. (Paypal's current highest US rate is 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction)
So, needless to say, I won't be using the DA commission widget.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Pretty much this.
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