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I wish I was joking, but another bout of sexual harassment against women creeped up this week (only days after the Might No. 9 fiasco). This time in the form of an indi video game a woman is trying to get green-lit to Steam. The game is about depression and is just suppose to help people understand what it’s like living with it, and for this “grievous” action she’s been the target of harassment campaigns. She’s received harassing phone calls, death threats, her personal information and addresses posted for everyone to see. She’s had to change her phone number to stop the harassment, and even pulled the game originally to try and calm this crap down.

Bravely, she’s decided to post it anyway and is trying desperately to showcase how awful, hurtful, and disgusting our gaming community can be when we stay silent.

You can “justify” your reasons for hating her. You can convince yourself that sending her harassment and hate messages is for the “greater good.” But you can’t convince me that the amount of hatred and psychological damage this harassment campaign is producing is ok. I’m so sick to death of anyone thinking that harassment is acceptable behavior towards ANYONE, male or female, for whatever reason.

There’s the old saying “don’t feed the trolls,” but I’m beginning to fear that this is a complacent statement. That by ignoring the trolls we are indirectly encouraging negative behavior because they know they can get away with it. And I think that needs to stop. I’m beginning to think we need to show the world how sick and disgusting this behavior is. To point it out and make everyone AWARE of how shitty the internet has become. And you know what? If that means having to regulate the internet somehow... I can’t say I have much sympathy for what little freedom we might lose in the process.

I’m all for free speech, but free speech isn’t a “get out of jail” pass for shitty behavior. It is not a magical shield you can hide behind so that you can throw out racist, sexual, or offensive slurs at whomever you’re angry at this week. We don’t tolerate harassment in real life at our jobs, in social environments, or between friends... so why should we tolerate it on the internet?

I’ve been asked a lot what the difference between giving “honest” criticism and so-called “trolling” is. And this is a fine example. This is trolling. No ands, ifs, or buts about it. This is not criticism. This is outright harassment of a independent developer trying to get her game greenlit on Steam. A game that would (if you didn’t like it) have no impact on your life one way or the other. A game that should succeed or fail by it’s own merits and not because a group of people don’t deem it “worthy” enough to be allowed to even EXIST.

Sources:
indiestatik.com/2013/12/13/fem…
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/…
storify.com/SeeBeeWhitman/depr…
twitter.com/ZoeQuinnzel
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sonicgail Featured By Owner May 21, 2014
I spend 90% of my waking hours on the internet but I'd rather see the internet die then giving the trolls a chance to live
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WatcherCCG Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014
"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either." ~Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father of the United States

Allowing a corrupt government that is already spoiling for excuses to completely lock down and destroy the internet to regulate cyberbullying will only pave the edge of the slippery slope. Do I agree that these bullies should be punished? Yes, and frankly I would like them all STERILIZED so they stop polluting the gene pool with their shit. Do I think we should ask Uncle Sam to do it? HELL NO, because Uncle Sam is no longer Uncle Sam anymore, he's Big Brother NSA and itching for an open door to obliterate the last true avenue of free speech. We MUST police ourselves. How, I don't know. But government will demand a price too dangerous to accept.
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Captainface Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014
...Damn it. I'm a male and I WANTED to play this game, mainly because I suffer depression issues as well and I liked the concept she going for. But to hear this!?...(sighs)

As much as I was against regulations and restrictions of the web, I can agree that this kind of behavior and harassment is what merits the bills that call for those restrictions.

There's a difference between FREE speech and HATE speeches.

Free speech is acknowledging your expression of an issue while allowing others to speak their mind.

Hate speeches are just unilateral expressions that shows the hatred of a type of individual while rejecting or denying those individuals their right to speak back.

Thank you, Internet. Thank you for making me miss out on a game I wanted to play and instead focus on a crappy NSA-backed game console I don't want instead like the Xbone.
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deli73123 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Student General Artist
It finally got greenlit! There's some good news, at least!
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Captainface Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014
Yay!
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sonicgail Featured By Owner May 21, 2014
*likes your comment* ... wait a second... where's the button
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Labrug Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Professional Photographer
I have been a strong supporter of the Don't Feed the Troll argument for a long time. I never considered this point of view. I shall have to reconsider. Thank you.
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GothicAnimeGirl Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Student Writer
This is actually a good argument for monitoring the internet.  Never really liked that idea but if it got rid of trolls then I'd have to weigh out the good and bad to decide which is better, and it'd be close.
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NotMolo Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
Everyone gets trolled on the internet. Why is it only a big issue if women are targetted?
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GothicAnimeGirl Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Student Writer
The issue isn't if women are targeted (which is an issue if it's mostly women but i won't get into that), the issue is that one specific woman was targeted purely because she wanted her game on Steam.  How is that cause for outrage?
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NotMolo Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2014
People get angry over something that wasn't supposed to cause drama in the first place? Sounds like everyday crap on the Internet to me.
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deli73123 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Student General Artist
The fact that it happens so often makes it a BIGGER problem, not a smaller one.
"it's the internet" is just an excuse to not do anything about the shit that's going on here.
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Sonicmario Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014
My thoughts exactly.
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KLBowserGannondorf Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
No further comment.
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ZombieSandwich Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Very good journal man, thank you SO MUCH for standing up against things like this (harassment disguised as "free speech").

Ironically, too many people don't say anything because they are afraid to get targeted themselves, so it makes me even happier that someone like you is NOT SCARED and is speaking up for people who have such bad things happening to them. You are one of the few people here who are very popular and are actually using that popularity to try to help others, and I hone that deeply no matter what others are trying to make this look like! :)
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AllVideosOwn Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014  Student Writer
For me, unfortunately, it's more "I have so little recognition that it won't be worth it".

This guy has thousands of devoted followers so if he says something a LOT of people are going to know.
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Kapten-N Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2013
There's a diffrence between trolling and harassment. A troll is someone who tries to derail a thread. "Don't feed the trolls" mean to ignore those people who try to derail the thread because arguing with them will only further derail it. "Don't feed the troll" doesn't not mean "turn a blind eye to harassment".
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DTJB Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeesh.
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UTERI Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh my god this poor girl.... you know I just hate that there is people in total that want to be trolls. Going on the internet for the soul purpose of ruining someones day, or even life, by posting some shitty insensitive shit that was neither provoked or needed. Its pitiful to see them and there needs to be an instant report everywhere with a troll or harassment option, but I fear that it would be abused terrible / m \
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Naga-Hunter Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
I agree in full!
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butterbiskitt Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can totally relate to that. A bunch of SPlashkittyartist fans think I hate her when really I don't at all. They tell me my art sucks and stuff. I don't know if they're trolls or not, but even if I refuse to feed them, they still beg for attention >:(
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LovePikaNizzy Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, I honestly see the saying more as, don't make a big drama out of it. Like, don't give them the attention they want..
But not let them keep harrassing you (or anyone else you see being harrassed). If someone is doing wrong, tell them they did wrong, punish them (report!) if they still keep on doing it, and move on.
I may not have worded it out the best way, but I hope you get what I mean.
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CaptainQuirk Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
This.  This exactly.  Everything you said.

Don't feed the trolls = stay quiet so the trolls can continue being horrible without interruption.
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paws4thot Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013
Can I suggest:-
1) Trolling is looking for a reaction. If you don't give them one on the webpage you're depriving them of the attention they crave.
2) If it's actually offensive (and I'd possibly find negs about Clinical Depression offensive, sight unseen) report them to site admin.
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Kerian-halcyon Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
*claps hands*

Your comment on Freedom of Speech is amazing.  I just wanna frame it on expensive paper and put it on my wall. ^^
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Sage-Freehaven Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013
>If that means having to regulate the internet somehow... I can’t say I have much sympathy for what little freedom we might lose in the process.

>I’m all for free speech

Do you realize how much cognitive dissonance exists in the space between those two statements?

Supporting free speech means supporting as few regulations around it as possible. Aside from direct calls for violence (incitement/'fighting words'), clearly illegal content (child porn), and defamatory statements, speech and expression should have as few limits as possible so that we may share a broad range of ideas without the fear of government censorship.

Any attempt to regulate free speech with broad, generalized terms (e.g. stopping 'harmful' speech) always goes awry because of how the lack of defined limits in such regulation leads to abuse of power in an attempt to 'do the right thing'. We place limits on incitement, defamation, etc. because we can place limits with enough clarity, definition, and narrow reach on those sorts of expressions without clamping down on all other forms of protected speech.

By saying you both support free speech and still want to see regulations against "trolling", you seem to have outed yourself as a supporter of the Preferred First Speaker doctrine (which holds that when Person A speaks, listeners B, C, and D should refrain from their full range of constitutionally protected expression to preserve the ability of Person A to speak without fear of non-governmental consequences that Person A doesn't like). You cannot support both the concept of truly free expression and the Preferred First Speaker.

I do agree with you about trolling in that it can turn ugly in a New York minute and we could (and should) do more to stem its tide, no matter if we witness the trolling from the sidelines or we end up subjected to it first-hand. Fighting trolling, however, requires an immense measure of humanity that we seem incapable of extending towards trolls. No matter how frustrating or disheartening or disturbing we find their actions, online trolls still have someone sitting at a screen -- and, far too often, we seem to forget that admist their deplorable actions.

We don't need regulations and laws and pitchfork media to fight trolls; that gets us nowhere. We need to have an actual dialogue -- and more than that, we need a sense of empathy and humanity that we'll willingly extend to trolls regardless of whether they return it in kind.

Stop fighting the trolls, stop acting like trolls, and start acting like a person who has a heart.

And for fuck's sake, stop calling for the regulation of speech you don't like. It makes you look awful.
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StarfoxFTW Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013
:iconcriticplz: I feel confident saying this: you wouldn't call it "hate" when 'women' is replaced with 'men', 'her' with 'him', etc. Plus, this journal seemed extremely opinionated.
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SkullyThirteen13 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist

I agree! :thumbsup:

 

 

*This garbage goes on in dA chatrooms as well and I thought the official dA chats were suppose to be friendly and welcoming. Even the rules clearly state certain things are against policy but still...people do it and think the acts are "funny".*

 

It's exactly like Cyberbullying. It's horrible and sad. Why can't people just understand the fact that trolling isn't funny? Are people really that desperate to get attention or have some sh*ts and giggles about it? It's hurtful to the person who is being talked down to.

 

I teeter between severe anxiety and severe depression and I know I'm not the only one so just to heed a warning to trolls, think before click send because you don't know that person. So one day you may say something so vile, it can push that person into putting a bullet in their brain. Trolls, to me, are no less than a criminal in the making...sorry! :shrug:

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Frozen-Doopliss Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The trouble is, with no grand agreement as to whether telling trolls off or not feeding them is the best course of action, neither happens, and we can't see which one is actually effective.  To see which method actually had an effect, we would need to create controlled, double blind experiments comparing the results of a forum completely telling off trolls, to a forum completely ignoring them, and compare these with a control group (presumably employing the current ineffectual mix of approaches).

In the meantime, when you are on forums with effectual mods, report the behavior and have the trolls shut down.  Further censorship is not likely to help.
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theunknownemo Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013
this sucks i bin bullyt all my life till i was sow sick and
wel i leard theam to stop messing whit me
not to smart and i regrat it but it works
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Aazhie Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You have a right to free speech, but I still get to call you an asshole right back.  And when bashing anyone for any reason, free speech does not protect you from a punch in the face.  Sure you have a right to say racists things, but if I hear you do it, you're getting tossed out of my bar/place of business because I can serve who I want.  People need to know it isn't ok to just say shit that doesn't help anyone and makes them sound like a dick.
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RudyBabyBoy Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013
Trolls and Cyberbullying are completely different, im afraid. Sorry to burst your rant bubble.
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Noir-Okami Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Student Artist

please elaborate exactly how they are different because they seem very similar to me. and no im not taking sides I just want more info


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RudyBabyBoy Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013
This guy is telling us how she was harassed endlessly and even given personal information about. This is clearly the works of the Cyberbully, who intends to 'harm you' rather than the Cyber Troll, who simply just want to make you look like an idiot or simply upset you by putting you in difficult situations or even scare you with jumpscares and such. Trolls are simply harmless creatures who spread nonsense and rumors all over the internet.

Cyberbullies want to actually bully you in a sense of feeling dominate or resentment. They want to make you look like an idiot as well as even hurt you or put you down. They want a reaction. Reactions keep them coming back. Reactions make them feel pleased and authoritative.
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ZombieSandwich Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Professional Filmographer
"Trolls are simply harmless creatures who spread nonsense and rumors all over the internet."

Face in hordes, such can be just as bad or even worse than one person cyber bullying. hen it blows out of proportion it is all just as bad, and that is what this journal is about.
It is not okay when many go down on ONE person just because this person dared to make a game about depression. As a modern society and people with HEARTS we should not tolerate such behavior!
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RudyBabyBoy Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
I called them harmless because I think of them as ultimately harmless. Big talk doesn't exactly work on my emotions to the point of where I feel im being 'cyberbullied'.
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Noir-Okami Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Student Artist
oh and comparing a noun to a verb? is it even possible for someone to do that?
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pookat Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013
This isn't trolling, because trolling is doing things you don't even necessarily believe in to get a rise out of someone. This is hate and harassment, it's fucked up.
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FantasyAqua Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Amen~
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Redlink5050 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013
Wow. I agree, people can be such jerks.
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I-Need-Bacon Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Hear hear
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Navalwarfare Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013
No one is a Troll, ever.

A: Loosely following stuff from the past, that was semi-witty, mostly.
B: Labelling people and harrassing them.
C: Making Judgements with Prejudice.
D: Going Off On Tangents
E: Plain ol' Making Shit Up

Any of these, are the Illogic of the Troll thing, and dissect em' by referring to how cliched it has gotten, and make comparisons to Witch-Hunts, And what about other Fantasy Creatures? This BS symptom-Lice Farm of Cunt-Fuck has gone to Cliched Apocalypse, and it needs to die.
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The-Raven-Soul Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Amen to that!
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genchang2112 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nicely put, Master Ninjabear.
As a friend of mine said: A person may have freedom of speech to say what they want, when they want, but it does not give them freedom from the consequences that follow.

And for this kind of stuff, there should indeed be consequences.
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genchang2112 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
As for regulating the Internet, I am made to recall other wise words:
If you give up a little freedom for a little more security, you deserve neither.
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Dorminchu Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013
Amen.
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artlovergirl987 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well said! i support this! i get bullied all the time...
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yondoloki Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
One point I think people often over look about freedom of speech is the little catch at the end. By that I mean, that you have freedom of speech AS LONG AS YOU CAN TAKE RESPONSEBILITY FOR YOUR WORDS IN A COURT ROOM!
At least, tha's how it is in Denmark.
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ToddNTheShiningSword Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"If that means having to regulate the internet somehow... I can’t say I have much sympathy for what little freedom we might lose in the process."

Do you have ANY idea how bad that would be? If humanity created an international authority that had the power to regulate everyone's speech in all conversations, that wouldn't cost us a little freedom. It would cost us ALL of it. 
Creating something like that would be creating a monster to solve your immediate problem. Sure, your immediate problem gets destroyed, but so does everything else, because you can't stop the beast once you turn it loose. And speaking of turning, it might turn on you.

"Don't feed the trolls" still applies and should never die. People who harass people like this aren't trolls. :trollface:True trolls are people who hide behind their computer screens so they can say nasty things to make people mad, and that's all they do. When you do more than that, you transform from troll to something worse. 
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JR343 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Just ignore them Tom, it's the only real answer. "Protesting" against them and requesting "a fix" to the internet, which may never happen, or any other sort of offense move will only ignite and continue their negative behavior. 

Just ignore them is all there really is to do. They will stop. Eventually. We need to hold off as long as us defenders can until they do. 
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