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This is going to be a little bit of a longer read, and for that I apologize. There’s just a lot to discuss.

The Downside to Internet Fame
This has been a topic on my mind a lot lately, especially over the recent Phil Fish controversy. In a lot of ways I find myself in the same shoes as Phil. My “reputation” online is not a very good one, and it often precedes me. No matter what website I go to, if I make an account and comment anywhere on the internet... those that dislike me will find me and make their presence known.

Part of the problem with being “famous” on the internet is that if you want to have a semblance of a normal life again, you essentially have to give up EVERYTHING that everyone else online takes for granted. I essentially have to give up twitter, Facebook, tumblr, DA, Pinterest, SA, YouTube, and pretty much any other website where I’m allowed to have a presence.

If I comment on someone else’s art, I risk bringing the haters to their work and starting a fight with me just because I commented. Anything I say or do, no matter if I later regret it, or said something out of anger or gut reaction, will be recorded via screen caps and posted on hate blogs for “posterity.” Going to conventions means opening myself up to the possibility of being physically attacked, verbally abused, or to have my image photographed or recorded to be used in mocking “parody” responses. Doing livestream sessions where I draw tend to get hopelessly overrun with trolls in the chat sections. Even when I don’t try to interact with anyone at all, people go out of their way to send me links to hate blogs, parody art, and response videos about me.

I really can’t... DO anything online without expecting some sort of backlash, and I imagine that for a good majority of people who use the internet, these are not concerns that they have to worry about at all. To have a normal life again, I would essentially have to give up everything that makes life normal now for everyone else.

And it’s not like I’m TRYING to force myself into people’s homes. I have no PR help. I have no one else but me to account for. I primarily post on my journal here on DA, and occasionally make quips over on twitter. I post my comics on DA and on my websites, and to my Facebook pages... and that’s about it. I honestly don’t do anything else to promote myself. The vast majority of my “reputation” wasn’t earned through hard work or kick-ass artwork... but because some people disliked what I said or did and decided to bestow lavish amounts of hateful attention on me. I never asked for this sort of “fame.” It was never a goal for me.

The Upside of Internet Fame
All that said, however, there have been positives to being “famous.” I’ve met a lot of really amazing artists I normally wouldn’t have been able to meet. I’ve had the opportunity to work on collaborations with people I admire and respect. I was given the opportunity to travel to another country to promote my work. And while there is clearly a vocal minority of people who scream as loud as they can on my work, I have a very dedicated group of fans who support me silently from the sidelines and who sometimes send me lovely thoughtful notes and messages.

A lot of the times the messages I get are about how they were having a shitty day and seeing my comics pop up helped them cheer up and get through it. I’ve had a couple notes from people who said that they read my work because it makes them happy and it gives them hope that they too can make art and gain a following one day as well. 9 times out of 10 I’m so use to getting hateful messages that these genuinely positive ones take me back and I don’t know how to respond to them. They are the reasons I keep making artwork and sticking through the worse the internet has to offer.

On the Expectations of Being Famous
One of the things I dislike about being famous on the internet is the impossibly high level of expectations that people have of you. It can be downright frustrating at times being held back by these perceived ideas of who you “actually” are as a person. Any small slip-up can come back to haunt you, and I’m still facing repercussions for stupid things I did over a decade ago when I was less experienced and able to manage my temper. A bad word choice can be nitpicked to death and become the sole reason why you should “never be taken seriously” as a person. Likewise, the expectation that EVERYTHING you produce MUST be of a certain high-standard level of quality all the time. The belief being that your sole purpose is to produce high rates of FREE artwork for the criticism and benefit of everyone else around you. And so on...

But the truth of the matter is that I (and many others in my situation) am just a person. Prone to the same mistakes, hiccups, and brain-farts as everyone else. I make comics and art because I enjoy doing it. Sometimes I just wanna throw together some stupid doodles and post them, but I often refrain from doing so because I fear people will attack me for “not putting effort” into my artwork if I did.

Many of the expectations people have are an even higher level than most professionals actually working in the field... yet they tell me I’m clearly not a professional and am only an amateur. If I’m just an amateur, why hold me up to such lofty expectations? Why am I not allowed to have FUN making my art and posting shitty doodles and jokes whenever I want? Why must everything I produce be demanded to be at some absurd level of skill that I haven’t reached?

I’ve been pondering this over recently not only because a recent batch of comics with mere “suggestions” on things to do in comics has blown up into a hot topic kerfuffle, but because I’ve been seeing the way the internet reacts to internet personas “becoming famous.” John Green (the Fault in Our Stars) has a movie based on his book out in theaters now. Watching him go through the struggles of being a YouTube celebrity to a “mainstream” celebrity is fascinating... and a little scary. People are demanding he act and respond a certain way just because of a movie that he didn’t have any say on came out. He’s even mentioned several times that although he got paid for the movie rights, he was not paid a cent for the production of the movie, and he won’t be getting any of the ticket sales from the movie either. He is still the same person he was before the movie came out... but the internet is treating him a lot differently.

It kinda scares me to a degree. If that’s the sort of stuff one can expect to have to deal with just because they’re “famous” then I don’t want that responsibility. I don’t want to be in the public eye so much. I share about my life (and even then I censor what I share quite a LOT) because I think my fans would be interested in hearing what’s going on with me. I do not do it to “gain attention.” Frankly I don’t really WANT that sort of attention anyway. I make comics and talk about my political beliefs because I want my voice to be heard and I want things to change for the better.

More or Less
It’s times like this when I’m pondering about Internet Fame that I am reminded of this quote by the aforementioned John Green:

“What a treacherous thing to believe that a person is more than a person.”
~ John Green


His book, Paper Towns, deals so much on how people project their own ideals and beliefs onto other people and how very dangerous that can be. Much like how people assume they know everything about Phil Fish’s personality from just watching a documentary. You’re only seeing a piece of a puzzle. One where the final piece that fits everything together is not accessible except to those closest to them. No matter how much I talk online about stuff, no one really knows me as a person except those whom I’ve allowed to get close and be my friends.

Some people deal with Internet Fame better than others. Some people are able to brush off negative comments and focus a lot on their fans. Others, like me, have a more difficult time doing so. Sometimes I just wish that I could just ignore the haters and not focus so much time and energy internalizing their hateful rhetoric. Maybe I’m too empathetic? Maybe it’s because I was bullied as a kid that I’ve developed a desire for people to listen to me and be taken seriously?

My experience with internet Fame hasn’t always been positive, but it has had it’s ups and downs. As the old song goes:

I'm inclined to believe
If we weren't so down
We'd up and leave
We'd up and fly if we had wings for flyin'
Can't you see the tears we're cryin'?
Can't there be some happiness for me?


Your Thoughts?
That’s pretty much all I have to say on the matter right now. Like I said, it’s been a topic that’s been on my mind for a while and with every rage-filled backlash flareup that I endure, I think about this subject a great deal. Weather it’s really worth the frustration or not.

What about all of you? What’re your thoughts on the subject of internet fame? Do you notice yourself or others treating other people differently if they start becoming more famous? Should famous people be upheld to high standards, even if they never anticipated being famous or wanted exposure? Please let me hear what y’all have to say on this subject, I’m curious.
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yuukipink Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Are you a famous artist? Who do you work for? 
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Alleycatgamer Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
First, I'd like to say keep doing what you're doing. I'm proud to say that I enjoy your work greatly, even if I don't always agree with you. Your art brightens up my day.
Second, I can't say that I've felt this kind of pain to this extent. I've really only felt this in small, small doses. I understand that I'm extremely lucky that I haven't had to deal with many if any haters or trolls here on dA, but I've had a few run-ins with these kinds of people on other sites. I feel that I'm one of those who has an easier time ignoring what haters or trolls may say, but it can get to anyone after a while. I think the real trick is to remember that they don't have the aforementioned final piece of the puzzle to know who you really are. It hurts more to have a friend insult you rather than a stranger because that friend knows you a lot better than that stranger ever could.
To be honest, this kind of thing scares me a bit, especially since I hate being the center of attention. Getting hateful stuff at this extent would be enough to bring anyone down, so don't feel alone. I feel that the way you're handling it now seems to be just fine.
Sorry if I rambled on for a bit...
You have my support.
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jadethestone Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel bad that I can't really contribute to this converstion, mainly because I am not any type of famous - internet or otherwise.
What I can do is say that I'm certainly one of your fans even if I'm one of the quiet ones on the sidelines who just likes to read your comics.  I like their art and I love what they have to say.
I don't think people should be held up to higher standards if famous.  I definitely think that there is a difference in how one acts around a more famous person.  I mean, I'd probably act weird or be sort of tongue-tied if you even responded to this.  But I hope that I'm not one of those people who, even subconsciously, treat someone different just because of their fame.
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ShadowBunny616 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
fame? i dont even know who you are ;)
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The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014
Sorry for my delayed answer. I was super busy wrapped up in hunting for a good job.

Anyway, it's funny I've had a taste of backlash, which means I'm getting somewhere with my reputation. I sure hope so. Why? Because while people can hide behind their screens online, nobody would have the guts to tell me such garbage in-person to my 8-) face! That goes double when the day comes I can afford my armor. I've always dreamed about being a star, so being the center of attacks haven't really bothered me. Them trying to mess up my loving relationship with my lover did make me sick for a day, but I endured even that. All I know is, whenever hereafter comes, I will laugh from my  front-row seats in Valhalla to watch them roast in Hell (at least, ideally).

Why are expectations so high? Because when your reputation is larger than life, people (specifically commoners) expect your abilities and powers to reflect this. They think you're a master of masters, kind of like the "king of kings" thinking; best of the best! And there is a weight attached to being anything "best of the best". In essence, it's like being a God incarnate. That's what I hunger for. Anyway, no you are not an amateur. Anyone who's been doing this full-time for X amount of years (and for pay, no less) is by certain a professional. Expectations should be high, but they're only absurd because they're flattering you...adversely, unfortunately.

And people probably attack anyone high-profile because they are insecure about their infertility (those men have no balls and those women have no eggs) as well as their absence of life-meaning achievements,. which makes them insecure in general. Insecurity leads to bullying, which is something I hope to bring to light in the hazy future...

Anyway, a person can be more, or less. The value and definition of a "person" is far too variant, particularly too variable for your mentioned quote to hold too well. Some (actually most) are idiots. Some are brilliant. Some are super muscular, and others couldn't bench-press a bare metal bar to save their lives. But, ignoring the evil people is a good place to start. That's what I did with my previous scuffle. It's not just all I can do (unless the Bill of Rights die and I were allowed to unleash the full wrath of the government on their domains and/or actually kill them within legal legitimacy), but it's the cardinal offense to not acknowledge the existence of any given noun. The only way you could do better is to wipe them from memory and all documents, or "unperson" as the George Orwell term goes. But doing so would require an unholy tyranny, and even then, only the tyrant decides who that fate befalls onto. Why it's more potent is because you're not just ignoring the existence of a bad thing; you are actually, physically getting rid of its existence.

That means, the fact you even talk about their existence drives them to attack you further. Focus your journals and creations on the more mundane aspects of your life, and in time, they'll leave you alone. I think that's the lesson Phil Fish failed to see. If you seriously want to return to "normal", you just need to "act normal" (assuming a clean-cut and accurate definition of "normal" exists), which means not talking about how big and famous and awesome you are (such as you are here). Or, if you're like me (someone who boasts about being made of metal), don't let the bad people bug you, assuming they're bad at all (seriously, morality these days is too blurred to just label someone "evil'). Heck, there was a time I laughed every time someone wished ill of me, because I knew deep down, I strutted the road of the paladin. Ill fates only befall the corrupt and/or the weak, and as such, my morality, faith, and enthusiasm rendered me immune.

I'm sorry for this exhaustive chunk of thoughts, but to be fair, your journal is extensive in and of itself. I only hope you can find the time to reflect on my point of view, as well as those of your other dozens of friends and fans. In the meantime, please understand I am one of your many vocal loyalists. :salute:
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Rizathepenguin Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Student General Artist
I don't often comment on your stuff, 'cause I figured that you have so much else going on that you probably don't have much time to do comments and replies and stuff, but I just wanted to say:

Dude, I respect you so much! You always try your best and stand up for what you believe in, and carry on doing the art that you want to do without caving to peer pressure! You're not perfect, but no one is! Please, keep doing the amazing things you do!
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I would say that applies to any kind of fame, really. Unless you make yourself famous especially for acting up or acting in a particular way.

For instance, I am a member of a youth organisation, and ofter hte years i've become rather well known in those circles. As a consequence, people will invite me to events to take upon certain roles and have massive expectations on my performance. I am stil the same person, but now I have a bunch of new people looking up to me because of my fame for excelling in certain aspects. So yeah, people hold me to different expectations.

And in a way, it's totally expectable and fair, although one may be reluctant to admit it at first. The moment you are recognised as a point of reference, you will have a bunch of people, a lot of whom you will never know personally, lookinf up to you and copying your methods. Thus, you become a role model in their eyes and at the same time other, more experienced people will expect you to keep a certain standard because of this newfound responsibility.

Because yes, the moment you have a bunch of people looking up to you, you automatically gain a new responsibility. You may say, "No I don't, these people should realise I am not a role model." But it doesn't matter, because whether you like it or not, that is what you become for them and they will still look up to you and all your mistakes and flaws as well... perhaps not even realising these flaws, if they are young and inexperienced enough. You are of course, perfectly free to say "I don't care" and go on acting like you always did, but that won't you from sending messages to these people. And htat is somethign you must be aware of.
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TheShadowEmpress Featured By Owner Edited Jun 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I really don't follow that many famous people on the internet... But yeah, just because someone is famous doesn't mean they're perfect in any way. There is absolutely no connection between those things. I'm sorry to hear you've got so many haters (I hadn't realized you had THAT many and that they were so active). I can't imagine what being afraid to comment would be like. :/ Just try to ignore the haters (the classic advice which often doesn't work very well :P) and focus on your fans. Your cartoons are lovely, and it's nice to see you address problems that need to be fixed... But there shall always be stupid people on this planet. :( I really don't understand why people have to hate on things. If I don't like something, I sure as hell won't waste my time complaining about it. (Meaning art and stuff, not things like racism...) And frankly, it seems like you always have to explain everything for people who don't have brains, resulting in multiple comics of the same theme. Just because some people don't get your point. :sigh:

Just... keep on the good work. :hug: Remember, you do have fans. We just tend to be less loud. Sorry if my comment was a messy jumble of words. And I would like to see some sketches, too. :/ Maybe if you put them into the scrap folder...?
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ObsydianIce Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I watch you because I (mostly) enjoy reading your comics. I don't always agree with your message in them or how you go about doing it but I typically do nothing because I'm firmly against art!hate and all other sorts of hate. If people don't like what they're seeing, they can just close the page or click onto something else. That's generally their problem not the creator. Now if it's something extremely offensive... well.. like making fun of people with special needs then I would definitely jump on the hate wagon. But that's different. 

If people dislike you, they only dislike you because you address (in my opinion) controversial topics sometimes. And well, there's always going to be people like that. *cough (fundamentalists!) cough*

I'm a middle of the roader. I'm intelligent enough to listen to both sides and consider different points of view. 

Just remember, if you're ever in a slump because of an idiot, that for every naysayer and angry troll, there's an invisible sometimes-supporter. 

Keep on!
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SugoiMe Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't spend too much time on the Internet, or at least I don't put myself out there and comment that often.  When I do comment, it's either on Facebook, or your journals or artwork.  As to Internet fame, I can't really provide a real opinion.  I treat people the same no matter what.  If it's something I don't agree with, I tend not to comment at all, especially if the content angers me beyond belief.

To answer your last question about whether or not people should be held to higher standards because of their Internet fame, the answer is no, they shouldn't.  Like you said, they're people, just like any other person, and are probably doing what they're doing, whether it be art, youtube videos or whatever, because they enjoy it.  Why should I spit out hate comments at someone for doing what they love to do?  If the content isn't that disrespectful, even if it states a strong opinion, isn't that okay?
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Rainbowdragon Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
For me Fame is a massive double-edged sword. 
On the one good edge, you meet people a lot more easily, it goes without saying that meeting people is easier if you have at least some level of fame. 
The other edge though goes hand-in-hand with the first. Because you meet people a lot more easily it's more likely for you to run into the dumb, close-minded haters and trolls who jump to conclusions really quickly without once even TRYING to get to know the person behind the fame. "

That was my two cents. Can anyone add onto this?
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Aldark Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also as for treating people differently? Sure, when I first meet them, I tend to see them as a kind of paragon in their field, but as I get to know them [like I have spoken to Zarla quiet a bit after only knowing them from their newgrounds videos from the mid 2000's] I tend to start treating them more like a friend. Im sure if I came to be familiar with someone I really admired, like Akira Toriyama or Patrick Stewert, I would be horribly fanboyish/shy at first, but then start to treat them more like a regular friend 'who happens to draw/act' after a few chats, as well.
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Aldark Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
All I can say, is, be yourself. be honest. The haters will always hate, but youll always have fans. People often say 'just ignore them', but when it comes to harsh critisizm and hate, its much harder to do then it is to say. But its really the only way to go because, anything you do say is 'feeding the trolls'. However, when needed, youve always got an army of fans ready to back you up, man~ [and if you ever happen to comment on my art, and someone flames you for it, Ill personally kick them in the balls.]

If it ever does become 'too much', though, the brilliant thing about the internet is that you can always change your identity. Fade into obscurity and reconstruct yourself from the other side. never would you have to give up your private internetting, just your public image.
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villamar Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
I still think you give them too much importance. As you said... you are only a person. It's absurd to ask from you more than you can offer. You draw because you like to do that... so why care about the haters and those that want you to do things the way they want? I could have different opinions in certain topics but I do really admire you as a person and artist... and it's kinda sad how you get affected so much bu these trolls... wish you could ignore them some more and just take from the internet what really help you grow more as an artist and forget about the drama ^^
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KelpGull Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
People who are afraid to create tend to occupy themselves with destruction.
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Haha, yeah...I find that when I delay my work by being social on the internet, I can come off as a tad demeaning...mostly when I think someone else is being stupid or demeaning...soo yeah.
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KelpGull Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Everybody has those days, but not everyone goes leagues out of their way to tear things down :>
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I suppose.
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KelpGull Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, fear is just what I've found to be the root of aggression in a lot of cases, certainly not all of the time. There is always a reason, and it's usually surprising.
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
It's difficult to figure out why we do anything, really...haha. But yes, I am usually surprised when I come to a conclusion of sorts.
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ObsydianIce Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I really like that statement. That just sums up so many things perfectly. 
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Thebubblegumgirl14 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
 I'll be surprised if anyone has ever changed their views on you because they were willing enough to admit they were wrong about a situation.

Anyway you'll always have my support as well as the few others that don't have a hissy fit with everything you post.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Professional Photographer
A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -Adlai Stevenson
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Clovis15 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
Although I can't personally letter in your tribulations, they are absolutely wretched and you did not deserve them (I am also sorry that I snapped at you during a semi-recent journal). I can - however - say that I have had a similar experience to you on a somewhat lesser scale, which I'd like to share if you're willing to read it:

I am not the creator of the sprite parody series "Chrono Trigger Unglued", but I am the person that willingly took over it when the original creator lost interest (given full reigns with his entire blessing, as well as most of his own notes). One of the administrators at Newgrounds - not the owner, he's actually a nice person - immediately began attacking me because "Sprite movies are for talentless people, and ruin the community for real artists" (or something like that). I ignored him and kept pushing forward, because I didn't want to see the project end for the fans that the original author had built up.

Worse yet, if I posted a news piece on Newgrounds about something that interested me he would immediately shit on the article claiming I was only linking to news to bring fame to myself because sprite artists could never be famous on their own unless they leeched off real creations (CTU has earned enough awards that I am permitted to make news posts that show up on the front page briefly).

It then eventually came to a boiling point where he went ballistic because he found out about my Deviantart account and learned that I technically knew how to draw, and screamed at me that I should be hand animating everything only to show to people - because CTU was one of the more famous sprite series - that it's not okay to use sprites and be lazy when you know how to do real art. This went on for the longest time. Never mind my pointing out that I'm really not that great an artist, and certainly not that fast of one either, I was setting a bad example for everyone by working on high quality sprite based animation rather than hand drawn animation (that I'd surely mangle into oblivion).

I'm not even really sure if it ever actually ended. With my mom dying I merely missed two years of updating, and he may well be back there to yell at me again with the new episode I will be releasing soon in the near future.

So while I've never had to deal with everything you've had happen to you these days, I just multiply my "great critic" by a million in my mind and realize that it's still probably not up to the scale of what you're dealing with.
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Jokerisdaking Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
I'm confused here, nothing I've ever seen you post seems that terrible and controversial. What's people's problem with you?
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Thebubblegumgirl14 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Some people just don't believe women should have the same rights as men. Most of the time it's just jumping on the bandwagon to hate him.
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zo-za Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I personally am trying my best to see celebrities, internet or not, as regular people. It's actually making me like them more because I don't have all these weird expectations of them, and lets me appreciate how nice they actually are.
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I've always had a problem with seeing them as anything other than normal. To me, I look up to fictional characters like Ryu Hayabusa, because not only is he really cool, but the sheer impossibility of what he is portrayed doing allows my mind to really see him as something non-human and perhaps inspirational. 

Yes, I'm referring to a videogame character as a real person to a degree, but at the same time, I only 'revere' him BECAUSE he is inhuman. It's something that can only happen in fantasy, but I do not believe it makes sense to put someone on a pedestal unless they do something previously thought to be impossible (or at all, some may argue). That said, my attitude comes somewhat from an ignorance of the brilliant minds who occupy our world...I'd like to be more aware, but again, It's not something I put too much energy into. 
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zo-za Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't understand what the point of this being a reply to my comment was.

Congrats for liking a fictional character.
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
It was related...I am unsure how you don't see it, but it bothers me that you feel the need to be extremely cynical in your reply, simply because you do not understand why it is relevant. 

I went on longer than I had intended, but I don't see it as a reason to mock me.
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zo-za Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I wasn't mocking I'm just not sure how to respond to that.
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Gnome64 Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Wel, there isn't a correct way. I just hoped you'd be able to find the connection I was making.
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Nia-Katomi Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Artist
I don't really know what to say.. Some people are just stupid I guess? Well more ignorant than stupid and a lot more rude than patient. It's your account and your career, you can post what ever you want to. Many people want things that make them happy but I think that you should post whatever makes you happy. I mean I'm happy whenever you post anything. 

You should post your doodles if you want to, I think it's be interesting to see what kind of doodles pop up in your head. 

I know you have a lot of people who attack you, but you have so many more waiting silently for your next update or your next journal. you have infinitely more fans who love and adore you. You're such a great inspiration for me because you've worked hard to make your career and you defend what you believe in. Please just hang in there, we'll be here to catch you if you fall. :) :heart:

that was a really long comment
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diskfire Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
While it is fair to say that you can't necessarily raise your standards for a person just because he/she is famous, it is somewhat of an inevitable conclusion. I mean, people only gain fame in the first place because there's a following of people who enjoy what they do, and those people expect the one that they follow to maintain, at the very least, a steady level of quality in their work.

That being said, it is far from fair to assume that the quality of your work is "declining" just because you posted some silly doodle that took you 2 minutes to make. You are a person, just like everyone else, and are entitled to the same privileges as everyone else. If anyone else can post silly doodles and have everyone be okay with that, there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to do the same. You may be a professional cartoonist, but that doesn't mean that every little sketch you crank out has to be solely dedicated to your work. A guy's allowed to have a little fun, at least every once in a while.

Personally though, having never been in your shoes, I can't say whether or not dealing with backlash from haters is worth the trouble for the upsides of internet fame. I guess it really boils down to how well you can cope with it. You may have a harder time of it than others due to being empathetic or having a history of being bullied, etc., but like  you said, you've got your loyal fans silently backing you up from the sidelines. We'll help you through, if it's too much for you to handle on your own.
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BlazeDriver Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There's a huge difference between you and Phil dude. Don't compare yourself to him. You have a bad past that you're actually trying to make up for (kind of...). Phil fucked himself over, disrespected those who were basically giving him free advertise, insulted those who bought his game, and showed hipstertude- in addition to taking what he got and running away from the problem instead of trying to fix it, showing that he doesn't feel any type of care. 

Notice how things have gotten better for you gradually? Phil Fish isn't going to get that. He's pretty much screwed for life. 
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BidboroughStreet Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
Good journal. Very interesting. I'm certainly not famous on the internet. But I have noticed that since my own comic has slowly begun to become slightly popular, people I thought were RL friends have not supported me. It is not that they make valid criticism - I'm totally cool with valid criticism. No, they hang back in the shadows and say nothing positive but chime in every now and then to make confidence crushing pithy comments that are mostly irrelevant to the material. For me, putting myself out there has made me aware of how easily jealousy and resentment is aroused in people; and introduced me to the term "frenemy". I seriously wonder how many friendships are real loving relationships versus someone using you as a measuring stick by which they determine their own social value. The situation has caused me to withdraw almost completely from facebook, as well. Probably for the best, it gives me more time to spend actually doing things with people who actually care about me and are worth the time and worry.
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YagamiYoshi Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I can't say I've ever really thought about the topic, I'm always surprised when I see/hear mention of someone who I follow online, especially by people in reality because I see the internet as a sort of island, but I've never been interested in famous people specifically, so that might just be me. It is a really interesting thing to think about, especially since I write and would one day like my writing to reach a large audience. It's important to remember that hypothetical large audience will be looking at not just my writing, but me too and that has its ups and downs.
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Akhenamen Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
I think there's only one way to deal with this kind of situation, and that is to simply not care what people think or say about you. I know you said it's hard for you, and I know it's easier said than done, but it's something I believe you'll just have to work on. Don't let a bunch of small-time bullies intimidate you into not posting your doodles and whatnot. Don't think for one second that you have to listen to them. Think about it. Why should you care what people like that think or say? They're nothing but a bunch of small-time, insignificant little maggot shits who apparently have nothing better to do than put somebody else down. Take yourself lucky that they're your enemies rather than your friends. You wouldn't want to be friends with people like that. Instead of worrying about what a bunch of petty little cretins have to say, focus only on your own fans and friends. They're the people who matter; not some rabble of trolls.

My take on fame is this: fame may come with a heavy price, but look on the bright side. It's a good shit-filter! The truly good people around here will stick by you, and the assholes will be revealed for what they are (because they're revealing themselves). Don't let ANYBODY bully you or put you down - online or offline. Enjoy your art to the fullest and ignore the idiot trolls. Because if you can't even have fun, what's the point in being an artist in the first place?
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Cristal-Michel Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
The internet hater are the next step of the kid bullying. It is worse than in school, because there is no consequences to the acts and writings. They feel free to do it and the worse it, they enjoy it. It doesn't matter if they hurt someone or not, they need to hate like we need to love, but knowing that doesn't make it easier. 

More a person is know, more it will attire people around him, all sort of people. Unfortunatly, we cannot just choose who we want to keep in that crowd, it's not like we can choose for friends. But they is a fact : the hater can bring new fans. They will talk about your arts, and some will think "I must see that if it's really that bad" and they will hook at your account, following you no matter what others will says. Most of your fans don't care what stupid haters will wrote in comment. Some will reply at your place. But most will just say : They don't know what they talk about. 

We are maybe bot a lot to talk in a good way, but we are here, and we want that you continue, with your wins and fails, and we hope that the love of your arts will help you to go further, beyond the haters.
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Carotah Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist
o^o It's heartbreaking to hear that people can something like that... 
I'm not good with words but... Hang in there. If you can, ignore those bastards that tries to bring you down. Your work is awesome! Do what you do to be happy! ó3ò 
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Nhizyr Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Awh man this journal made me kinda sad. ;n; I see so many negative things about you everywhere and how you're so bad at drawing and whatnot, I think it's really unfair. What you do with your art is no one's bloody business unless they pay you for your work, and even then what they pay for is only a certain part of control over WHAT you draw, not how you draw it, your style is your own. This lack of respect is just... terrible.
On the other hand though, I'm not quite sure if that's the case obviously, but it might be they treat you that way because of the way you react to them? >3< I mean I get your frustration I really do, but... you do come across as really rude sometimes to be honest, I'm even a bit scared to leave this comment here haha. ;u; So yeah, hard as it is, but... I'd say try to handle your haters more neutrally, maybe...? That might resolve some conflict. . o .

best of luck with all your involuntary fame in the future
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fateavernicus Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hmm~ internet fame. "use or be used; nor naive belief of becoming one all together" <--- i have no idea where i got this but i know it was during  a church sermon. not sure from the bible or something.

i think right now at this moment you under estimate you're fame too much thinking it's "1 step forward 9 step's back.".


no i think its more of 4 steps forward and 3 steps back. you really have real fan's (well some of your post are good poke fun to type jokes or trolls. well some joke are to in the dark for most to relate haha)

people really see a good way to get fame by ether earn a rep like in dev art you're rep is via page view's or comments and art. and other people watching.(im on the lower level's 3rd class if you will haha.) 

or make a rep via *as stated from downside of internet fame.*

this is one of your excellent journal post.  but to be honest i still have no clue to wathsiname guy. and i don't want to right now especially that mery anna marie Antoinette fiasco. she'll be feeding people cake almost and always at the wrong time.
-------- p.s.
personally i hope your make a movie review for the November and December movie line up. and show case us some game's were not aware of.
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Winter-Wisp Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Everyone wants to be famous, and the famous don't want to be famous. 
I suppose its like being in the government. Actions are nitpicked and wailed over and only when you're gone people realize what a star you are (if ur a cool government person tho).

I think that people are more addicted to the idea of being liked widely than actually being famous with all the connotations famous brings. People want recognition and power, its in our nature. Its the easiest goal to think about, but the hardest to achieve.
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Roxanne13579 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Over the time, I've gotten a little bit of fame on the game Guild Wars 2 because of a daily event that I've been organising for a while after I took over from the last person. A recent update made that organisation a lot easier, but before that, I too felt as if there were all of these people just expecting me to do that organisation daily, which was quite a lot of work too and I just got so stressed over it. So yeah, I can really understand the idea of the expectations people have of you. Then again, like you, I've also met up with a lot of people as well, and I can't really say I've met anyone who was rude to me or whatever if I didn't do that event right, so I suppose maybe it was a little bit in my own head as well. Still though, I can really understand it.
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tymki Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
In answer to that quote you put in...
Not in Nottingham.

Sorry, just had to. XD

But yeah, serious stuff. And I'd like to be internet famous, but I know from past experience that I don't really deal well with negative "feedback" as in "hah, this looks stupid. You're fat/gay/whatever" is enough to make me upset.
Andrew, since you've become internet famous, have you learned to blur out/ignore the hate comments you get better than when you started out? And if so is there a method of doing so?

Also, I just want to say that for all the haters you receive, you have at least five times more fans of your work. Like me! :D
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Zeit-Tek Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Honestly, I found out about you because of some of those hate blogs. I frequent them often because I've found some awesome people through them. Every person messes up at one point or another, no one is perfect. I remember the first time I spoke to someone I looked at through a hate blog, they were so nice. Wonderful person, kind, but hurt because they were mocked for something they did long ago, and still are.

And it fucking sucks. I see you're not much different, I think we all learn from our mistakes. It just sucks that some people come under scrutiny more than others, you know? 
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Pink-Death-Pigeon Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
I'm not famous by any means but I still get my fair share of "haters" 

Usually because I'm being a dumbfuck in the comments somewhere or I'm calling someone else out on there dumbfuckery and even the occasional trolling here and there. So normally its justified hate. Ever thought maybe its the same for you? Ever tried actually being polite and not taking everything as a personal attack? It could do wonders. 
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kyriesin Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Student General Artist
I'd like to be noticed just a tiny bit more (once I get my good for nothing scanner and tablet to stop having a mind of their own) for my art, even if they don't like one thing then maybe they'll like something else I churn out later. I honestly doubt I'd handle huge amounts of fame very well though since I've never liked being in the spotlight or dealing with tons of people. I've struggled with nothing but hate, mental and emotional and even some nasty physical abuse from peers and mentors alike since I started speaking and walking at an early age, a lot more of that hate came from my questioning religion and not willingly submitting myself to the idea of any of it. I don't really like to worship the famous people out there. I do draw inspiration and like hearing about some of them (most of the people I look up to aren't heard from much because they aren't  in rehab, some of them are dead, or whatnot) but, I understand that they' human just like the rest of us miserable specks. It's sad seeing what fame can do to people who seemed like nice folks but turned out to have an ugly side when they became enchanted by how people seemed to grovel at their feet. I, just like most people out there can sometimes let the fact go to my head but, I remind myself that everyone has their own things going and stuff they want to do. If I want to see certain things from a particular artist then I should see about a commission or something. I watch your art for the fun jokes and to see your opinion on whatever subject is served up even if I don't agree with every point because, well, it's your opinion which you have every right to have and state it. I'd personally like to see what other ideas you've got rolling in your head that you don't think anyone else wants to see, I could careless if you turned out a page of stick figures and I'm sure I'm not the only one. That's part of the fun, and I think even the privilege, or watching the artists here on DA, we get to see the high and low points of their art and doodle spews. It's easy to chant "ignore the haters" and a lot harder to actually do that but, the way my Grandpa put it; "You can't please everyone, there's always someone with a stick in their ass or something. Just do for you what you want and make your self happy, even if you let a few people down. They'll either appreciate what you're doing or they'll never understand. You, on the other hand, can." :) So, do for you. 
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MrSixtyFour Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
.... If you'd change the words "fame" and "famous" with "infamy" and "infamous" it would make this journal a little bit more accurate... 
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