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Like most people, I'm a fan of a lot of things. However I don't often wade deep into fandoms themselves. For example, I like MLP:FiM, but I wouldn't call myself a hardcore Brony by any stretch of the imagination, as is evident by my continued botches of cutie mark colors (something no hardcore fan would EVER screw up).

Part of the reason I don't delve too far into fandoms is because fans can get very... emotional... about their given fandom. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it can sometimes be a crutch. I like a variety of series, but I'm not gonna throw a tantrum because of an episode name, or an animation mistake, like some people do. I don't like how angry or defensive fandoms can get sometimes, and for the most part I think people need to just calm down and relax and not be so standoffish.

Fans are, for the most part, good people who are just enthusiastic about a show or series. Just try to keep that enthusiasm from dipping into the negative side of things, yeah?

Criticism Vlog
This is a wonderful Vlog about criticism and how criticism is perceived online: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-98ZFl…

I strongly agree with a lot of it, even though he's mostly talking about YouTube videos. A lot of what he says can be carried over and relate to DA matters. It details many of the problems people like me struggle with in trying to discuss criticisms online: IE people are rewarded for saying "thanks for the feedback" and then ignoring it, while others who try to ask for more information or debate are vilified as "unable to accept criticism." It's a very good listen and I strongly suggest everyone take a peek if you get a chance. You don't need to watch the video as it's just someone playing a game, you can just listen to the audio in the background.

About Journals
If you don't like reading my journals, please do us both a favor and unsubscribe from them. My journal is used for talking to my fans and about upcoming events, but also for ranting about things going on in my life. That's kinda what a journal is, you know? I know sometimes they can get a little personal and emotional but... it's my journal. What were you expecting?

That's All Folks
Not much else left to talk about. I'm still planning to do a really big livestream session soon. Like a full day's worth of work sort of livestream session. Yesterday's livestream was a test to see if the service still worked good enough on my slow-ass computer. It took a while but it eventually worked so... here's hoping I can start the big one soon. I'll keep you all informed as things come up.
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Radarker Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I really love Kingdom Hearts and it's story and how well it's done, but i don't search for every detail of it on the internet. I rather like to discover all for myself while playing the game. So, basically, i think sometimes being a hardcore fan of a series or something can actually ruin the fun for it, maybe not for yourself but for the others you would like to show it to.

P.s: I even found a bug/glitch/fail in the Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep. While playing as Aqua, being in Radiant Garden, when Mickey shows up, u can see 2 Kairis, one at Aqua's side and the otherone behind her. I didn't get mad or anything, i just lol'd
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DTJB Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No kidding. I'm a fan of anime, video games, pro wrestling AND art. There are many aspects from each fandom that I love but at the same time, there are aspects that make me go "ugh".
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HerosofOlympus Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Have you made a decision on SYAC?
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Mii-riam Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Could you do the livestream at midnight? Because then it's day were I live.
Nah, I'm kidding. But it still isn't nice that I'm never able to watch livestreams.
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PuddingValkyrie Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like reading your journals. I don't always agree with what you have to say, but such is life.
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tehferg Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
And we try and find a like button, but due to no such button, the love button will have to do.
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Ki-Images Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I personally love reading what you have to say. Some of things you have said in the past have helped me out with some things in life, as for the fandom thing I don't try to dive in a lot unless I can actually get in with out judging it too terribly (that doesn't always work Yu Yu Hakusho is a great example to that as well as Full Metal Alchemist) I love fans but not the super crazy ones that I seem to find with Hetalia and Homestuck. It took me a while to read Homestuck and an even longer time for Hetalia I screw up so much which country has this thing or that outfit it's just too much.
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LudicrousDemon Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
What? Talking to fans? Informing others of upcoming events? Using deviantART's "personal" journal tag to talk about personal things? What is this?! Look, man, I'm just here for my free pony, and if you can't offer that, I'm gonna have to unwatch you. I don't know what kind of a person doesn't give away ponies on dA journals!
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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PONIES FOR EVERYBODY!
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Passin Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Isn't that the point of a journal? To vent off? What kind of idiot gives someone grief about it?
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villamar Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
The funny thing is I've seen people rant about how other people use their journals. They are like angry that the other people use them to talk about their personal problems because aparently nobody is supposed to give a crap... but I mean... it's our friking journal! We are allowed to use them for whatever we want. Just because some people give a crap about a certain's person's live doesn't mean nobody cares about everyone... and even if that was the case it's still their journal.
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Pentaro22 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Nope. :no:

If you want to talk about your personal problems you must resort to your parents or close relatives, hire a psychologist, talk to your pet or if you feel the urge to share your private stuff with someone on the Internet, create a Livejournal account and keep it private to only a selected number of trusted friends.

Bawwwing about personal affairs in your DA journal is the best way to attract trolls and generate lulz, specially if you're mocked in a number of troll sites. The best couse of action when dealing with trolls is to keep your private stuff out of the internet for damage control and move on with your life.

DA Journals are supposed to keep your followers updated about your professional projects or art-related stuff, not to create unecessary drama.
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villamar Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
There's no rules that say what you can or can't do with your journals. It doesn't matter if there's trolls or not. You are not supposed to let yourself get affected by such people. It's still your page and your rules so as long as you don't do anything that goes against the dA rules it shouldn't matter what you do with your journal.
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Pentaro22 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
As long you don't give the trolls the attention that they crave, I guess that's OK... :P
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villamar Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
See? That's what I mean ^^
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pretty much, yeah.
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shadow-creator Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Yeah, sometimes hardcore fans can be so elitist. "Oh, you are not a Trekkie if you don't know this." "You are not a true Brony if you don't do that."
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ParaChomp Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Screw Bronies, the Pokemon fandom is WORSE then that. They do what you explain a thousand fold. As for Bronies, just some people can't accept the disliking of their likes (which is odd). All personal preference, let's learn to accept one another and move on. Still, the abundance of My Little Pony art on the front page is rather disturbing but then again, there was the announcement of Pokemon's 6th generation (can't wait to find out what strategies will be good or not then).
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Veji-chan Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student Writer
Oh man. I hate when people get like that. Ruins all the fun of liking something.
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Passin Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Agreed. It's insulting really.
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caycowa Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Of course not getting real deep into fandoms won't save you from the 'rabid' hardcore fans. They'll go after the casual fan just the same. :shrug:
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Alenonimo Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You'll never get rid of the trolls if you keep talking about them. :|
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catgirl140 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I get the feeling from some crazed fans that they need to talk to someone.
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msjobee Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student General Artist
"If you don't like reading my journals, please do us both a favor and unsubscribe from them." You realise the 'don't like it, don't look' argument goes both ways right? If you don't like the comments, don't read them.

Look, the thing is, this is your professional sort-of-portfolio page, right? I mean you don't have an actual portfolio site? So if you want to get your name out, if you want people to see your art, if you want possible employers to see what you can do, you direct them here. So these people who might want to commission or hire you, they will see all your whiny journals. You're making yourself look horribly unprofessional here. That is going to put a lot of people off. If you want to vent or just talk about some personal stuff somewhere, make a livejournal or something. Lock it so only people you like can see it or whatever. Because I hate to break it to you, but this is why people won't leave you alone. Because you keep reacting to every little thing that hurts you and you keep putting those reactions here for everyone to see. I'm not saying you should not react to anything at all, but journals like these have no business here on your portfolio page.

You need to learn to just let things go. Ever heard of Elsa Chang? She has a page on ED as well (imagec0rrupt3d or however it was spelled, look it up). Years ago, there was some drama surrounding her, but you know what she did? She moved on. She didn't keep whining about it. She focused on her art and doing what she loves. She kept her more personal stuff to her livejournal. She matured, and guess where she works now?
Disney.
Chris Oatley recently did a podcast with her and some other young artists, I suggest you check it out: [link] . They talk about how they got where they are now, and here's a spoiler: none of them got there by acting like a butthurt 13 year old. You're what, 30? Start acting like it.

My apologies for the lengthy comment, but I just wanted to get this out there. Of course, if you don't like it, you could just not read it. (But that's dumb don't do that.)
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That kinda makes a lot of assumptions. what if I'm not using DA as a personal portfolio website? Or what if I just don't care? Why should you invest so much energy into a problem that isn't yours?
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msjobee Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student General Artist
I assume that because there I have seen no link or any other evidence that you have such a site, and considering you're not directing me to such a site, I'm guessing there isn't one. I can only work with what I can see. And judging by your journals, you do seem to care a hell of a lot about what other people think of you.
Also, speaking of assumptions, 'so much energy'? Yeah, because of course I invested so much time in writing that comment. That's all I do, all day long. Just stalk your page and write snarky comments. Yup. Absolutely.

I think you might be overestimating how interesting you are.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There is one, it's just down at the moment. Nevertheless, I don't use DA as a portfolio site. No one in the comics industry really takes DA seriously, and most professional artists who use DA tend to use it more as a promotional tool for their other work than a portfolio.

Given how many people seem to have my livelyhood invested in their daily lives, I'm beginning to think I'm underestimating how interesting I am. If I was uninteresting (as you say) no one would give a crap and I could get on with my normal life, yeah?

BTW, this is getting a little off topic but after taking a peek at your work I fear that you might be grossly under pricing your commission rates. You have some kick-ass work and it's disheartening to see it being sold so cheaply.
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msjobee Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student General Artist
How convenient.

Do you think people really spend their days thinking about what you do? Reading some journals and posting a few comments on a forum laughing about it doesn't take very long. I think for most people it's just a laugh for when they're bored.

I know I am, but seeing as A) I am not that well known and B) I don't do those commissions to make a living or anything, just to make some money on the side, I think I'll be fine.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Seeing as how the same few people keep coming back, keep talking about me, keep trying to find ways to annoy me, or subvert me, harass me, etc... yeah I think it's moved beyond just a simple "point and laugh" stage and there are some people who DO spend obsessive amounts of time with me in their mind. Nobody who points and laughs would spend hours making websites, excessive spam campaigns, youtube videos, multiple accounts to get around blocks, etc.
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msjobee Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student General Artist
...and you spend a lot of time reacting to them, reading their posts and making journals about them. You're basically perfect for each other.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As much as I hate to agree, you're probably right.
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kaput6no Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013   Digital Artist
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glade20 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
very insightful, i whole heartly agree
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Jaded-Crypt Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do admit I'm into Harry Potter a lot more than normal people. But I do take a step back and think, sometimes. But seriously hardcore fans are scary!!!
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Dog-lover22 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
About the fandom, when you mention Hard-core fans, does that mean they act like its a religion or a cult?

I'm a fan of a few things, but I stay in the shallow end (wouldn't want to get too deep).

PS: I enjoy reading your journals, and I understand and respect what you say and express :)

Best of luck :D
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Jester-Mazoku Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
When it comes to fandoms some of the fans can turn someone off a series completely.
Even then, after time has passed and these fans moved on to the next (what I call "flavor of the month") fandom, I sometimes get interested in looking into a series I previously avoided. So I understand what it's like not to want to touch something when the fans fanning over it sound unappealing.

There are different types of fans that not only ruin the fandom for some people, it ruins the fan art as well.
I am not saying this to be mean, but if you like to rp (each person takes on characters and then take turns writing that character's interactions to make a story), it is really off-putting when you have one fan girl who thinks that a character from a series only loves her character (also called fan character). Then proceeds to rant about how the character only likes her's because "they are in love" telling you you have no right to even talk to the character she likes -who is being played by another person.
If you rped, you have might recall seeing this type of fan at least once rping in a fandom.

Then there is the fan character inserts into what would have been lovely fan art!
Again, I am not trying to be mean here, but nothing ruins a beautiful piece of fan art, then someone inserting their fan character.
The person could have amazing talent for drawing the characters, but they don't get much favorites, because the person chooses to stick their fan-character in the scene. As one of the group/team/friends fighting along side them, or being entangled in the lusty embrace of what would have been hot fan-service.
It takes the art from something everyone can enjoy and instead turns it into something "private" that has been posted publicly.
It doesn't mean fans should avoid having fun with the fandom. It's just that when it comes to art adding in your own fan-character to the drawing makes it look more like a personal fantasy then something that can be shared and admired by others.
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AlanSteenhouwer Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I recently got pinned as "unable to accept criticism". I was asking for a way to mention puberty in a story I'm writing, without using that specific word. The girl went off on an entirely different tangent, full of explanations on culture and timelines. Any time I tried to pull the conversation back to finding a way to another word for puberty, I was hit with how I didn't seem to be doing the research. This continued on until I proved to her that I had done the research into the culture. Her response: "You're unable to take critiques well, aren't you?"
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Seems like it's almost a rite of passage...
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AlanSteenhouwer Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
And I was being as polite as a politician at a fund raiser.
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BugeishaKyasarin Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I get annoyed at the Assassin' Creed fandom. Especially female cosplayers. As a designer and someone who likes history, it bugs the hell out of me when I see some chick dressed in a skimpy outfit, thinking that a peaked hood and hidden blade are all she needs to be an Assassin. I won't launch into my historical accuracy and functionality rant here. And people are still talking about the end of AC 3 where (SPOILER ALERT) Desmond sacrifices himself to save the human race. He also knowingly releases Juno who has some kind of global-takeover agenda. The point is that after five games Desmond made a choice based on free will. He knew the gods used to use humans as slaves but everything on the planet would be obliterated if he didn't sacrifice himself. So that ending while not as controversial as Mass Effect 3 has the fans in an uproar.
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Chaos02 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Because I like to air my two cents where it really shouldn't go, here's my thing on fandoms.

Serious, hardcore fans also tend to begin excluding their real life friends with it. I've been a victim of this. The person becomes such a fan that they start taking names of the characters and dubbing their friends with names of some characters, and you quickly learn where you stand with that person on if you were included.

Unfortunately, this tends to leave bad tastes not only towards those people but towards those fandoms. This is part of the reason I avoid Transformers and MLP:FiM.
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mandalorianjedi Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I have taken classes on art criticism. I observe how people critique on DA. The vast majority of them do not know how to do it, but are under the impression that they are trying to help, when at times, they are only degrading the artist to their face. This makes both parties upset, as the artist is easily offended when told they are bad at a list of different things, and the criticizer is unhappy that their suggestions are seemingly ignored.
I wish people would know what critiques were prior to giving them, especially when they are not even asked for.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed. But it kinda makes sense since the vast majority of DA are either under age or still in high school and haven't had the opportunity to learn how to properly critique.
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mandalorianjedi Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Don't let it get to you. I get a ton of negative harassers and hate mail on occasion (likely not nearly how much you have to tolerate since I am not nearly as popular), and it can be depressing. I have learned, and it is taught to popular authors, that they should just not bother even replying to negative messages. It only gets messy for the world to judge you with and both sides get angry about it. (if american politics did the same, people would vote based on what they liked about the politician and not what they hated about the others)

If people think it's a right to harass you, feel free to ban them. They obviously aren't watching you for your art if that is the case and you should not have to tolerate it. You have rights just as much as anyone else does.
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LollypopWolf Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fandoms are.... well, a mixed bag of tricks.
In fandoms, you feel like you belong, but to those outside of the fandom, you sometimes end up looking like one of those fourteen-year-old girls that hang out in clicks, giggling obnoxiously over deathly pale vampires and judging every person that walks by carrying a gucci handbag knockoff.
I'm a "part" of many fandoms, including, of course, MLP:FiM. I've seen pretty much every episode, and am in love with the animation and adorable artwork of the show. I love that one of my closest friends is a fan as well, but if you put me in a room with at least one person singing the opening them at the top of their lungs and expecting me to just jump on in, you got another thing coming. I try not to delve too deep into fandoms, mainly because they ruin the shows for me. An example would be the fandom of Hetalia.
I loved Hetalia. Draw a circle theres the earth, draw a circle theres the earth, yada yada yada. It was all fun and games, awesome cosplaying, laughing my butt off with friends, and roleplaying, until i was introduced to the true fandom. it was not pretty. so of course, i lost interest. I still go back to Hetalia every now and then, like fanart, but other than that... yeah.
So, fandoms are pretty much 20% awesome people that have the same interests as you who you can get along with and become friends with, and then 80% of WTF
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RookieOwl Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree about fandoms , sometimes hardcore fans take everything way TOO SERIOUSLY (I admit I'm a hardcore fan of a lot of things but I never discuss opinions with other fans like me, I know how it's gonna end so I avoid it)
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diskfire Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
*cue the merry melodies end theme*

First thing that came to mind when I saw the words, "That's all, folks". :XD:
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Q9R42 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like the way T'l biskit talks.
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phlofy Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I think people should keep discrete about fandoms. If you don't like the same things as I do, I don't have any reason to go all Hitler on you and hate you till the end of times. Also, if you like something I don't, I have no right to insult you by making a mean comment doubting your heterosexuality. If we just keep our tastes to ourselves, I think the internet would be a much better place.
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Darth-Sparrowhawk Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fandoms: I agree with you. I know they can all get pretty scary, but one that's downright terrifying? The Dragon Age community/fandom. Aiaiaiaiai, don't say the wrong thing around them or you'll get lynched. Hell, don't even think about having an opinion that conflicts with the majority of the fandom, they will skin you alive. It's happened to people on tumblr, and boy, the fandom's reaction is not pretty. After seeing it happen to a few people, I back-peddled outta that fandom so quickly. It was good at first, meeting fellow fans, but then you realize that they'll just as quickly stab you for making a mistake then give you the benefit of the doubt.
Journals: I've never known the reason for why people have to whine about someone's journals, I'd always see the bitchy comments and think, "well why don't you just turn off journal notifications?" It's as easy as that, unless you really have nothing better to do than complain about something that you chose to read.
Oh and the criticism thingo on youtube, yeah that guy has some good points. :XD:
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