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Nerd Girls: Nothing to Prove
So this music video has been circulating the web recently about the whole stupid "nerd girls" problem and I think it's pretty cool. Some of the more famous people in the video include Kelly Sue Deconnick, Amy Berg, John Scalzi, Josh A. Cagan, Adam Savage, Paul & Storm, Wil Wheaton, and Marian Call.

COD Death Threats and The Vocal Minority
Recently Treyarch design director David Vonderhaaf tweeted about a patch to Call of Duty: Black Opts 2 which modified certain guns. The purpose of his tweet was to explain that the new patch would change the DSR fire time from .02 seconds to .04 seconds and that the rechamber time was 1.0 seconds and is now 1.1 seconds.…

Immediately his twitter account was flooded with hate messages and death threats. He tried to make light of the situation by saying "Not sure these fractions of a second are worth the threats of violence," but the hate kept coming. Finally Activision community manager Dan Amrich was forced to make a statement:

"Vonderhaar often gets told he should die in a fire or kill himself or is a horrible person. If anybody thinks for a second that this is okay, it is not. But if the loudest voices in the Call of Duty 'community' act like an angry mob instead, guess how the entire world views Call of Duty? Now consider that these Internet Tough Guy rants and demands are not unique to COD, but exist everywhere, in many gaming communities. This is why the world often does not take gaming seriously; this is why gamers are assumed to be immature, whiny assholes. Because the immature, whiny assholes are louder."

And you know what? He's right. The problem isn't that they're a minority, it's that they're so vocal about their hate. Because they're so vocal and in your face, it presents an air of intense hatred all around, encompassing the good people who aren't assholes into how the general public sees them. On the one hand they shouldn't "feed the trolls" as the saying goes, but on the other hand nothing is gonna change if we don't shine light on this ugly side of gaming culture and shame people for doing it.

So it's not just Phil Fish who seems to have trouble with their twitter accounts...…
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PhookaBoo Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Student Filmographer
Thanks so much for sharing that video! I doubt I would have found it otherwise :D
Whenever I meet someone with the same nerdish enthusiasm for one of my fandoms I get excited and want to talk to that person, NOT judge them for what they look like/call them out for not being a typical fan :I
trippinxtremezebra Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Student Filmographer
I stopped COD because it bores me.... Needs more plot...

Ah... The game girl... As the leader of my college Magic the Gathering club I gotta say.... I've gone through a lot of sexist people. It angers me that I can't go to a local card store without being hit on (irony, I'm gay). When I verse them they go easy cuz they don't wanna make a girl cry. Really? REALLLYYY? (not that it matters, I can still whoop their butts)
However, I have a lot of friends and we found card stores that treat me like a player. I've lost, and I've won. I go to tournaments and no one holds back on me. it's like when I go there its a second home. We laugh and tell stories while playing cards, it feels like a magical place (no pun intended).
That's how it should be, a community with a common interest bonding together.
(but I still will play the game girl song from Homestuck when I win a tournament.)
Nocturnal-Dayz Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Jeez, and I thought Sonic fans buying Sonic 1 in response to Sonic 4 was bad...

It's always the loud and obnoxious that sometimes make me ashamed to be a gamer. They always make the rest of us look bad to the world at large, and that shouldn't be the case. :shakefist:

The nerd girl video was pretty cool, though. More power to them, I say!
GraphiteHeart Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
this video is my new favorite thing!
Novelwrite Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I know, right? I'm just glad there's an accepting group out there.
AceJunior28 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013
I've had that theory on the vocal minority holding the rest of gaming back for years.
LaLunatique Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for sharing :)
Celestial-Biohazard Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Student General Artist
COD gamers make all gamers look bad. :shakefish:
Dewani90 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
big deal, some people are just immature, i mean, why bother with a game that is not even that good?, i mean, some people wanted the game more realistic, and as so, the guns got modified, now you can't just reload like arnold swartzenegger in commando during the commercials, guns take time to shoot and reload... they want the game to be unrealistic? go back to halo... 

and about the video, well, they just want recognition, and prove that they can be as geeky as everyone else, nothing to prove, they just are, and i applaud their effort, and their catchy tune, well, i think the whole human race can be geeky/successfull/healthy or compassionate regardless of gender, and we all should be treated just the same.
jewlecho Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh the COD community....

And that's all I have to say.
PIDKID Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Really death threats over a patch that makes some guns faster or slower to shoot and reload what has the gaming community world come to look I am a gamer my self have been since my brother got a saga megadrive ya I've been around longer than some of the gamers today who are only 12 or you would think that thats their age considering how much they whine and kick off about any little change to their beloved game so what if a gun can't not shoot fast or reload quicker than before work around it some people have to learn acting like a dick and sending threats to game developers will get them no where apart from getting the game canceled like with fez II or what ever it's called or haveing a talented game developer drop from the industry these guys make me sick I wounder how they would react if god for bid that one they a game developer actually kills them self due to all the hate mail would they care would they regret all the things they said would they even be held accountable for their death. I'm 22 yrs old and studying games concept design I hop to god that nothing like this happens to me but if it does I won't rant back or entertain them I will laugh at how perfetic they and there lives must be to even send that kind of dribel to me then report them. I feel sorry for any one who has to put up with that kind of bullshit.
MoonDarter Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
I've said this in some fashion many times:

One of the best things about the Internet is that it gives a voice to many people who would have none. It is also one of the worst things.

I think I'll go buy the Doubleclicks' album now. Those are voices that should be heard.
BigDream64 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
This is why I'm not what they call a "Hard core gamer" Cuz I don't give two cents about Shooter games like that.
kittyanya Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
People always ask me where the nickname Kittyanya came from. Well, back in 1997, a Star Trek chat room was going to interview Leonard Nimoy. I needed to make a name to get in. Kitty, Kat, Katt, Cat, and The kitten were all taken, so I typed Kittynya. (Nya is Japanese for a cat's meow). When I went to tell my mom the name, the extra A popped in. Kittyanya was born to enter a Star Trek chat room.

People still can't get past it a girl wanted to see a Star Trek interview and ignore the rest of the story.
eatpraylove Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think we need to stage a partial intervention. You know, "COD fans, we love you very much, but some of you have a problem and that problem is why we can't have nice things," something like that.
RookieOwl Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I love that video. 
And as for CoD, Activision just resumed all the fandoms of the internet, and truly that's why people think CoD is played only by 12 year old boys with no life (no that they're but the loud assholes sure make them look like) 
ZippyDSMlee Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
A bit to late to patch blobs 2.
UndeadMause Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
this is call of duty you're talking about most of them are little kids riding with the crowd because they have no clue what it would do and just listening to the people they subscribed on youtube. and that nerd girl gamer shit they literally have nothing to prove its just rare to hear one online and internet mentality people be someone they are not and can basically get away with almost anything they say because what the hell this kid going to do? take time and energy to try and find this one person in this world? then what? 
JTravoltaIIVII Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
Death threats have been around on the Internet forever; it's good for developers to personally learn what their players are like and how poisonous a community they've created.
JTravoltaIIVII Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
Making a video means you have something to prove. Regardless of what actual geeks say, there are fake geeks. Lots of them. Male and female. If you are using a hobby as an accessory or only to meet people without actually being engaged, what other word for that is there but poseur? There's a lot of "geek" shirts that get the details wrong because they simply don't know the details.

I know it's judgemental and pretty pointless but if you don't participate in something without being in the company of others it's hard to say you have a deep love for it. Obviously there are some exceptions and I don't expect people to play obscure games to be gamers but you can't be a retro gamer geek for instance unless you actually play old games, no?

There's no cutoff point because like everything else it's in degrees but it's hard to agree that n64 makes you retro while it is easy to agree that NES or Atari or Colceovision does.
Passin Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
Jonas72 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
Ban the lot of them from internet access for life!
Deidara-Clone Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

Wooooooow, really?  People got THAT pissed over a fraction of a second?  It'd be a bit more understandable if he changed something different like, I dunno, suddenly made one of the better weapons a piece of crap or something (yeah, I don't play CoD).  I mean, I know I got pretty steamed over a graphical thing in Skyward Sword (Link has thicker lips that makes him look sooooooo weird) and I looked passed it and got over it, but something as small as that?  Pfft, I wouldn't give a crap.


But it is true that the more whinier assholes gamers create bad names for those that just want to play the game.  Yeah okay, Capcom's been making a shit ton mistakes with MegaMan and people are pretty pissed off (me being one), but you won't find me shooting a death threat for the cancelation of a game.  I just take it with stride now.  That's just really pathetic.  But at least Activision took a stand and said, "Yeah, screw you."

BurningResurrection Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
nice to see that even Activation calls the CoD fans worthless pieces of shit 
Roxanne13579 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The video's awesome!

And the COD death-threats just makes me wonder why...
I find that gamers are naturally very pessimistic and they really hate any form of change, no matter how big or small they may be.
<ponifytext>One of the crown jewels to emphasize that point is the League of Legends community. You can't play a normal game without at least one <ponify style="color: rgb(7, 0, 255);" title="person">pony</ponify> (who is usually the worst player on the team) shouting 'REPORT THIS NOOB TWISTED FATE FOR FEEDING' or, when his/her team does end up winning the game, they're always the ones saying 'gg, easy'.
But then, oh noes! A patch! Bring in the hate guns, no matter what this patch does! And all of that simply because you don't get to play the game in exactly the same way that you're used to.</ponifytext> It's a real shame really that the majority of geeks are like that.

Now I agree, some changes people make are a stupid idea, but instead of bitching and moaning about it, you can let the creators know of your discomfort by... :iconlegaspplz:... sending a polite e-mail!

But really, writing comments like this ain't gonna help much. Someone with a much bigger and more well-known voice needs to speak up and even then, I doubt it'll do much.
BugeishaKyasarin Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The hate for nerd girls, I feel, stems from the fact that many nerd guys are afraid of women. Like maybe legitimately afraid because they didn't have good interaction with females in school so they grew up resentful and fearful. And if a girl comes along who is perceived to be "better at the fandom" than the guy, he does everything he can to discredit her for fear of his masculinity being questioned. That's the only thing that makes vague sense to me regarding this issue.
BurningResurrection Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
actually, I think it's more about "living up to the stereotype" if you know what I mean 

after being told that nerds are nothing but lonely males who'll never get a chance to even speak to a woman, one starts to believe it, and some will eventually go to lengths to uphold this reputation, seeing as it is the only type of security they have 
BugeishaKyasarin Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand what you're saying. And it's really sad that more geek guys don't try to shatter their own stereotype.
BurningResurrection Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013
it's kinda like the goth kids that will disown you if you aren't constantly depressed 
BugeishaKyasarin Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Which I'm sure will make you depressed since you'd have no friends left... :cry:
BurningResurrection Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
that's the problem with trying to live up to stereotypes created by those who hate you 
CleverCaveman Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
yyyyeap completely agree
Shippuden23 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013

I love the video. My favorite one I the one that says “I’m older than your mom and I still love MMORPG’s”.


The problem with some gamers is that they overact to the most trivial of things. They’re getting angry that the firing time takes a fraction of a second more? Does that even affect the damn game at all? I swear is like people are desperately trying to find an excuse to bitch about anything no matter how stupid or irrelevant it is :iconfacepalmplz:

TAILS-FAN1 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
The whole thing with nerd girls is stupid. I think they're awesome! Some of my very best friends are cool nerd girls! The ones threatening the guy, on the other hand- VERY STUPID!
Kerian-halcyon Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
And this is EXACTLY why I don't play Call of Duty anymore...
Genesis-Omega Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013

Just when I thought I could have a tiny speck of hope for the human race in general, not even for specifics or any real reason, it gets smothered by news like this. Death threats because a gun in a game now has a delay of fire modified by a timeframe so small you literally can't see the difference without frame by frame footage, and a refire rate that is likewise so small you barely notice it, if you even do notice it in the first place. Honestly, .04, four hundredths, of a second... It takes you more time to blink. .1, a tenth, of a second, you're done blinking by the time that moment passes. If it were say .5 instead of 0.04 and 2.2 instead of 1.1, then it might be cause for sending an email or a letter stating that you think it needs to be changed to something more reasonable, like the .04 and 1.1 delays. Where did those days go? Instead of a threat on someone's life, which should always be taken seriously, just type out a letter of frustration, or even an angry letter telling them how much you dislike them for what they did. That way, if they read it, they go 'well, this person isn't happy with me at all, just like so many others, maybe I should change it to something a little faster for them' instead of 'okay, I'm calling the cops on this guy'. I, for one, would rather be sent back an email saying 'I'm sorry you feel that way, I will consider your opinion and see what I can do' , as opposed to a police officer saying 'you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney...' etc. while putting handcuffs on me.

BIUmphress Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Student Filmographer
Personally, I've never really been a fan of COD because of what I thought it did to the FPS genre.  But I think this makes something clearer to me; it isn't COD that is ruining FPS games, but the players who can't tell the difference between real problems and first world problems.  I think I made a demotivational poster a long time ago with one such example.
Ekkena Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013   Digital Artist
Cute video. I guess I'm pretty lucky as I've never had anyone say anything mean or treat me differently for being a girl nerd. I never once in my life ever felt like the things I was into were exclusively boy thing. My dad was a huge tech geek so I grew up on video games and around computers. They just seemed normal to me.
TheBloosBrother Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is how it is with EVERYTHING. Gaming, music, movies, fucking life. The assholes are ALWAYS louder.
Topkicker26 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconclapplz: Bravo Activision for telling them!
Goldteddy Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
Welcome to the Internet you think nobody knows who you are. . . .not entirely true.
Anywho there is Term in Games called Gaming Manners you know calling GG WP even if it was horrible or you know respecting people that give a reason for leaving and not jumping the gun with threats or reports.
Sadly it also reguires you to have manners in the first place or in fact just a Common sense.
People sending threats to a developer via twitter because of a minute changes to a game, clearly have neither!
HaruhiArcticFox Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
I love that video~
MrPwner911 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
People in Twitter are absolute idiots most of the time. I don't like how Vonderhaar designed the snipers (they are far too powerful and easily ruined BO2), but I wouldn't threaten him with killing him or his family. I hope the people that pulled that shit get banned quickly, if they haven't been shut down already.
Morgannon Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013

I also don't get the mass hate in mmo's against newbies. Weren't we all newbies once? I'm sure they asked the same questions. and made the same mistakes.


Deviantart comments need an edit feature *nods*

BurningResurrection Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
it's called elitism 
the belief that because you are doing something longer than others, it makes you the only person allowed to do it 

it's the "get out of here! we came first!" mentality 
it's essentially the same mentality as the old "kids these days" 
Morgannon Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013

Yeah I know. It's stupid.

I've been playing most of the games, including that one since beta, but I still help the newbies instead of just bitch at them. Everyone has to start somewhere. It's elitists like them that help kill a game as they put new people off playing them

BurningResurrection Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
sadly, this sort of stuff still keeps happening 
Morgannon Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013

I agree.

They're also why mmo's etc keep getting made easier and easier(when Everquest 2 came out, you couldn't solo anything, you had to have groups), because the whiners are louder.

Life needs a block feature ^_^

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