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I hate the Oscars for a variety of reasons, but last night we got more proof about how little respect and decision making actually goes into things. Frozen, as you might know by now, won “Best Animated Picture.” But what you may not know is that only some the people voting had actually SEEN the movie, or for that matter, ANY of the animated films listed in the Best Animated Picture category.

The Hollywood Reporter was able to get a few quotes from academy members who were voting for various categories (specifically best animated) and here are some of the results:

1. I have seen none of them. I have no interest whatsoever. That ended when I was 6. My son dragged me to a few when he was 6; I would seat him and go outside and make phone calls. My pick: I abstain.

2. I thought Frozen was amazing, and my personal favorite was Despicable Me 2, but I didn’t see all of the nominees, so I didn’t vote. My Pick: I abstained.

3. I don’t see much of a contest here. Frozen is intelligent, empowering, and inspiring. My pick: Frozen.

4. I voted for Frozen and none of the others were even in the discussion. Honestly, if they did not have the animated category, Frozen would have easily gotten a best picture nomination. It just delivered. My pick: Frozen.

5. I like them all about the same, so I decided not to vote. My pick: I abstain.

6. I agree with everyone else, Frozen was a very special film. My pick: Frozen.

7. I did not see all the nominees. My pick: I abstain.


The worse is clearly the first guy who pretty much embodies everything American animators hate about the industry. It’s no secret that here in America, animation is seen as a child’s thing and is usually not taken seriously, despite all evidence to the contrary. To see such a nasty remark against all the animated films up for nomination only goes to remind us that while animation has made progress in America over the years, we’ve still got a LONG way to go before it’s recognized as a legitimate medium.

But I think what’s even more telling, and more disappointing, is how only a select few had actually SEEN the movies that were being nominated. Most seem to just abstain from voting because they hadn’t seen anything, or voted for Frozen because it was the one they knew the best out of all of them.

It’s pretty depressing to see this because, while I do feel that Frozen deserved to win something, this inside look into the inner workings of the Academy makes me feel cheated. It feels like there’s no effort put in at all on who does or doesn’t win, and for such a big award ceremony that is suppose to be so significant, it severely taints the message they are trying so hard to convey.

Worse still it’s quite a slap to the face of all the other animated films who should be recognized for their hard work. The Croods in particular is an amazingly fun movie with a strong moral message and extremely unique character designs. All of those other animated films worked so hard and they don’t even get mentioned because Disney was able to promote the hell out of Frozen. That’s so very sad.

Once again, I am happy that Frozen won. I just wish I didn’t know how the inner workings of how the Oscars select their winners actually worked. It pisses me off and depresses me that so many people even in the year 2014 don’t appreciate animation as a legitimate art form.

Fuck the Oscars.

Source: www.today.com/entertainment/an…
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OceanPirate Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ou know,people think Frozen is good because of a mary-sue with some powers,but the story is so plain. I quiet the movie after seeing it half,blergh. Other movies deserved more,such a shame.
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yoichi-masaki Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
the first guy is risking his child getting kidnapped alot....
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Anonymous-Koala Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol
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ChocolatNinja Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
CALVIN AND HOBBES
Sorry, am I missing the main point here???
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Nut-Kase-the-pony Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I hated Frozen. Enough said.
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Sorrowscoldfrost Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
I didn't like Frozen either.
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Nut-Kase-the-pony Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I'm so glad I was not the only one. I'm not a big fan of musicals and it just seemed like another typical Disney movie. Nothing seemed to impress me.
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Sorrowscoldfrost Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
I know what you mean. Everyone was saying it was such a great movie, and then I watched it... and was majorly disappointed. It wasn't all that impressive at all.
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Kamentantei Featured By Owner May 28, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
CGI in particular is more a kiddie thing; I feel like as soon as they stopped hand-drawing cartoons and making them into movies here, it seems like they stopped putting thought into what they were making and just became lazy. The Princess and the Frog was good, but we have to admit that American animation is extremely limited because of this train of thought. Outside of occasionally good animated shows like Avatar, Batman The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League, and Teen Titans, there's not much going for Western cartoons besides comedy....and it's so limiting. I mean, Avatar had so many fans going for it and look at Korra, it's become more of a teenage show. But the worst thing for me is how none of the networks anymore show anything animated, they all get rid of it. For a while, Cartoon Network was full of reality shows and now it's back to cartoons but they're lazily drawn with shoddy jokes and poor animation; no more Courage the Cowardly Dog or Cow and Chicken stuff. I mean, Toon Disney died out and so did NickToons, which is full of nothing but live action stuff; the Hub and Cartoon Network are the only ones that actually show animated stuff, despite how many people love it. And for anime, it's been more of a death sentence. Toonami is at midnight until six in the morning. How many people are actually going to stay up that late to watch it, huh? And it's only on one night a week and not five days like it used to be.............it really amazes me how many people don't know what anime is and there are people that have never heard of Batman the Animated Series.....sad, it is....but if there's one thing I can't stand in Disney, it's how they think all the characters need to sing all the time. I'm like, SHUT UP AND GET TO THE STORY AND ACTION!
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zilla19982 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The Computer Generated medium is no less artistic in aesthetic and no less challenging in creation that the hand-drawn methodology. It's not a shortcut, and to think it is is telling as to your own experience with the medium of animation and CG in particular. There's nothing lazy about it. There's work, there's effort, 
What, you think it's as simple as "push a button, hey it's done"? Are you naive? Or 12?
I'm sorry for being so condescending, but it's not like you're innocent of that.

Secondly Princess and the Frog was okay at best. It should have been better, and it could have been. The animation was beautifully designed and brought to life, the characters were okay, but the story was bland and the music was anything but memorable. It didn't suck but it's not the kind of thing that sticks with you. One of the few people of color and the first black Disney heroine could and should have had better.

Thirdly Cartoon Network has suffered Network Decay, as have plenty of other channels like Discovery, History, TLC, the list goes on.
Two things they do have, though, are Adventure Time and Regular Show. Mindless for kids maybe, existential crisis inducing for anyone with a sense of self-awareness. Not lazily drawn or lazily assembled. Take the time to watch the both of them, they're a pair of legitimately great shows I expected to hate, and even though they both broke my mind, they're both legitimately fantastic.

Finally, hey, if you don't like the musical medium no one's forcing it on you. You *can* abstain from it. Thing is, though, often the singing acts to further characterization and story development. IE Phantom of the Opera, Little Shop of Horrors, Repo! The Genetic Opera, etc. Very rare is it in a well-done musical for a song to be a digression from character development or plot progression; it serves a purpose and ultimately serves that purpose more truncated and more efficiently than the alternative.
Granted Frozen had *a* song that came out of nowhere and didn't really do anything for anything. And yeah, it annoyed me when it did that and it annoys me when that happens anywhere.
But hey, bit of news, I hope this doesn't catch you too off-guard, I know I was floored when I found out...musicals...have songs in them. I know, crazy right? And that's how they move forward most of what they do. If that's not your bag, maybe you won't like musicals. Hazarding a guess there.
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bonecrusher56 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
NOOOO!!!!!!!!?! I MEANT TO SAY "BEST" NOT "BEAT" OH, GOSH!!!!!!
well, at least i won't chuck that up again
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bonecrusher56 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
Still isn't beat animated movie ever
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Neville6000 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
This deplorable incident is why we need to change the system of voting at the Oscars to this proposal of mine instead;


*All of the people who select the Oscars will be paid employees of the Academy who would be the only ones with the power to nominate what films are to be awarded (there would be about 400-500 people employed thus, paid out of a special fund set up by the academy and the major studios, as well as donations)

*These people would be cineastes who are knowledgeable about all film, and about all genres of film (as opposed to the people mentioned in the article who know nothing about film at all)

*These people's jobs would be to watch all of the films in a given year in the genre that they're a specialist in (horror, sci-fi, drama, comedy, romance, war, documentary, action/adventure, animation [including anime], and foreign)

* As with the first point, what these people decide is final.

This is the only way (IMHO) we can get fair awarding of movies at the Oscars.

Something else related to this: www.thegridto.com/culture/film…
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Shad0wFlight34 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*Slams face int0 desk.*
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fixinman Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Voting for something you know nothing about? That my friend is called democracy. Voting is always done by people who know nothing. How else can you explain That IDIOT Bush getting re-elected.
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AaronsArtStuff Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
It's simple, really.

Fuck the Oscars.
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SilverZeo Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist
This is how I see the pecking order of entertainment, where the top is the most recognized while the bottom is the bottom.

Movies
Mini-Series/TV Specials
Books
Prime Time Shows
TV Shows
Kid Shows
Cartoon Shows
Kid Cartoon Shows
Video Games
And Comic Books....
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zananos Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with this, and I feel your maturity is also rated by where your interests are, the farther down you go, the more people lower their view on your own maturity. It sucks lol
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Ginger-Bean Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014
Well, I like the Oscars. I mean... actually this is the only one I've ever seen (I'm 24 and have only seen one Oscars...) but I thought it was really funny. I like Ellen DeGeneres and I also liked some of the mentions of the people who passed away and I like seeing how some celebrities show that they are human and kind, like one actor who took time from his Oscar speech to speak of those in some of the countries that have been having a bad time of it lately. 

But I am so very sad to hear the lack of work put into the voting, especially in the animation category. I feel that those people should have an obligation to go out and see these films if they are going to be asked to vote on them, and I whole-heartedly agree that it is so awful how people in North America (for it is like that here, in Canada, too!) see animation as "cartoons for kids." It's true there are some kind of stupid animated films out there that are really for kids, like ... I dunno all those ones with talking animals, really. But I do wish people could understand that they can be just as engaging as live-action films. I think in other countries, particularly Japan, it seems, the viewpoint is different. 

Pretty sad, as you've said :(
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Ginger-Bean Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014
(Though I just remembered there were rather a lot of actors who were just jerks and super full of themselves. I mean the young and up-coming actors are usually pretty down-to-earth it seems.)
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BadAttitudeInk Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Let it go.....Let go-ooooooo

Sorry, couldn;t help myself :D
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Amalthea16 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You really nailed it on the head with the paragraph about how animation is seen as childish and not to be taken seriously here in the States. That's always vexed me tremendously. It's stupid to be so dismissive of an entire medium, especially when most of the time those people don't have much experience with the medium
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PotatoOni Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've never had much interest in it. As far as I can tell they're just nominating the movies that made enough money regardless if they're actually good. If the Academy would actually care about quality then they would even nominate movies that where well recieved but financial failures.

I didn't watched Frozen but this disregard for animation is sickening. I barely watch live action movies or tv shows anymore because I think currently animation is superior in terms of visuals and writing to most live action productions. Also you can do much more with animation then you can do with CGI. To me seeing good animation is much more awesome then seeing alf assed CGI (CGI is actually not that bad but it's often overused). Also why didn't the Lego Movie got an Oscar? It has Batman in it!
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Quill-of-Wonder Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I really hate the academy, especially with regards to Best Original Score, as well as the fact that Pacific Rim didn't get any nominations, not even for best visual effects.
Granted, I might just not know how the system works, but still.
Pacific rim deserved at least the nomination.
Gravity's score sucks.
That's all.
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LavynderStreak Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I thought I was the only one who wasn't in love with Gravity.
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Quill-of-Wonder Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope. I didn't like the idea when it first came out, and I still don't like it. I'm still fuming that it did so well.
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LavynderStreak Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
It was a weird plot.
"Let's make a movie about a girl who's super successful because we're SO FOR FEMINISM and a dude astronaut who go to space and are slowly dying from lack of oxygen!"

*pause*

"Why don't we make something about cancer patients?"
"That has too much message. We need something soulless and sucky to the win the Oscars!"
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Magic-Mouflon Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
The Ocars? It's an unbalanced ceremony with a panel devoid of passion and personal conviction, who's views are are either easily influenced and diluted by others or haven't bothered to watch the entries. Judging by what I've just read here and in the papers, it sounds quite scandalous. A feature has to meet certain criteria before the author can even hope be a nominee, and this is only fair if the academy members pay attention to what's on offer to begin with. Although I haven't seen it, The Wind Rises sounded like a strong candidate. But it's typical that an animation made in a mainstream western production house would receive such a prestigious award by default. 
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Karichi Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This story that's been all over Tumblr (and now here with you) has been making me so angry that I almost considered changing my major to animation in hopes of showing those people just how wrong they are- I'm not, but I felt like it. While I personally agree that Frozen deserved the award, what's the point when they only won by default???? How rude and is respectful! From the writers, to the animators, to the musicians, and the voice actors- they were all disrespected but these uncultured jerks. X(
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LancelotPrice Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I've paid no attention to the Oscars since 2005, and should have stopped even earlier. The process is so flawed that the results are not valid, except on rare occasions by sheer random chance. The reasons for voting or not voting often have nothing to do with the films themselves.
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iLoid01 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
tbh I regretted watching frozen.
the story was like meaningless and doesn't have any moral whatsoever imo
and tbh I like the croods far more than frozen. I mean, I can watch the croods for a whole year than watching frozen for a week.
the croods have a really strong moral and is a unique way of a story than frozen but then, people nowadays only search/vote for 'looks' lol pity

and at the same time this reminded me of sbs drama awards lol where people only vote for how handsome/new/popular the actors are instead of the story line etc 
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qzkills Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   Digital Artist
"the story was like meaningless and doesn't have any moral whatsoever imo"

Haha, what even...? I don't hold any particular love for Frozen, but claiming that it's meaningless or has nor moral just because you didn't like it is absolute bullshit. 
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iLoid01 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
lol just being honest mann xDD

It's not like I hate the whole story. It's just.... the time taken in the story was like so short like it was just a week or so and the bond of sisters like...... idk
to me that's not disney, it's not so original (Y)
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qzkills Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014   Digital Artist
Mm. Seems to me that you failed to look beyond the surface. The film had A LOT more to say than, "Love your sister."
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kiitcat Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
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NightFurytheBlack Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
I enjoyed Frozen, but I think it's over-hyped a lot....
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HectorNY Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist
Three of the five nominees I saw (Croods, DM2, Frozen). I figure the Croods would have the best chance. Until Frozen opened. Then I figure Frozen would win. Right the Best Animated Film for this tear is The Lego Movie but let's see what else comes out this year.
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Whetsit-Tuya Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Filmographer
Fuck Spike's VGAs.
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Spacergirl003 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Honestly, I'd prefer the Annie Awards since it's the Oscars for animated features, shorts and series over the Oscars.  I only watched the Oscars just to see the award for Best Animated Feature specifically (as well as for Best Original Song "Let It Go").  The Oscars in general are pretty boring as I could care less about the general categories.  At least it was fun to watch the Oscars for just one time.
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AJInu-Okami Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Anyway, I mostly watched the Oscars because I was at my friend's house party so no choice and because of Ellen who was the only good thing (or really person) at the Oscars!
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twinelights Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i agree ellen's awesome ahhaha
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AJInu-Okami Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yep
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AJInu-Okami Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I feel like we NEED to pick better people would actually watch a movie three times (not on the same day of course) before deciding a movie. Maybe people around mid 20s-early 40s. I feel like they can relate to some movies and point out why they like/dislike a part. The people now suck ass when deciding on movies ESPECIALLY animated movies.
I feel like Frozen should not have won. Yeah it's good at some parts, but the majority of the songs on there should not be there (like Build a Snowman, Anna and Han's song, Olaf's song, the trolls' song). I feel like Disney is just going downhill with their animations while DreamWorks is waiting for them to fall, so they can really shine. If they had Frozen and Brave, those movies would be a lot better (especially Brave). So really, they should not have won even by default.

I was rooting for The Wind Rises. A documentary about a Japanese man building the perfect plane and going through his time period filled with the earthquake and an upcoming war. It seems to target people of different ages, but really those in their 30s would understand it at best since they've been in the workforce longer. The morals in Miyazaki's movies make more sense than any Disney/Pixar movies combined! But, that's just my honest opinion.
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Koolwolfe Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Student Writer
Frozen cannot be proven bad, or lame or that it sucks, it is an opinion not a fact Lego Movie wasn't all great that is why it didn't win a award it' sin my opinion, Frozen had depth comedy and action moments and a deep story, they are even coming up with a sequel, I do not see Lego Movie coming up with a sequel, and also  I think Frozen deserved it. It's my opinion and can't be proved, K am also pretty pissed at Jorm for calling Idina Menzel, Adeem ? I can't even catch the last part! He probably is drunk.
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ChocolateSun Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
"The Lego Movie" came out in 2014, so it isn't possible yet for it to earn an Oscar until next year. :)
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Koolwolfe Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Writer
Very good point
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Ninjasheik21 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Frozen SUCKS.
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Koolwolfe Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Student Writer
Ninja you haven't watched it more then likely you are new and just want to fit in but bad mouthing Frozen isn't going to help. 
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Ninjasheik21 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I still think Frozen sucks though. :smirking: 
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Casey-The-Fruit-Cake Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh, I despise Frozen. Fuck all that moral shit. Plus, the songs were so incredibly dull I fell asleep. Come on, you don't have to sing to get someone to build a snowman. They put no thought into those lyrics... I'm very musical, so that annoys me. I'm sure, people will think "But it's cute!". No. It's got nothing to it, as pop songs generally don't.  
To me, I just find it annoying. People are free to like this sort of thing, I'm not saying anything that means the opposite. Disney films in general have awfully composed music that states the bland obvious. I guess the people who like that sort of think prefer K-POP and pop, but I wouldn't know.
Also, am I the only one who noticed that Disney have just made Rapunzel a little bit different to end up with the character Anna? I dunno. I think she does...
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