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Gaijin Goombah is TIRED of Samus Complaints: A Response

Someone linked me this video after seeing my Fashion Savvy Samus comic, and it quickly became apparent that a LOT of people defending Samus’s god-awful rocket boots were using THIS as their basis for argument. So, since this is the internet, I’m gonna respond to this video interjecting whenever I hear something I agree or disagree with.
 


1. I agree that we should separate Other M Samus from the rest of cannon based on the fact that it was conceived over a retcon of the character.

2. I agree that a lot of the hatred for Other M Samus came from her BADLY localized English translation and voice acting. I’ve stated many times that if the game had been left in Japanese with English subtitles, I sincerely doubt as many people would’ve had a problem with her “monologuing” than they do with the English version.

3. I do not agree that you should be “offended” that male superheros are designed with barrel chests unless you yourself have been trying to get a job as a male model or something where your physical appearance actually mattered that much. Both the male and female body types ARE male power fantasies designed BY men FOR men. Men are IDEALIZED: They inhibit traits that men are suppose to want to ASPIRE to. Women are OBJECTIFIED: They are things men are suppose to want. Heck, sometimes we even idealize AND objectify women at the same time!

And this leads me into the fact that women DO have a problem with the way they are portrayed in women’s magazines. Maybe you don’t see it because you’re not looking for it, but in all the circles I’ve been in, the way women are photoshopped on magazine covers both for women AND men, is distressing and pisses a LOT of women off. So I’m sorry but I can’t agree with you being dismissive because you personally haven’t seen it.

Addendum: One of the other reasons why GG doesn’t get to be angry that men have unrealistic representations in the media (ie: Superman has a physique I can’t obtain!) is because men haven’t historically been oppressed by their looks. To paraphrase MovieBob: “The chances of a man being rejected for a job because they don’t look like Kratos from God of War is astronomically low UNLESS the job they’re applying for IS BEING KRATOS.” Women, on the other hand, have historically be denied jobs/work/advancement, etc based entirely on their looks, not their actual proficiency/knowledge/experience, etc.

4. I am sorry but no. Your explanation for why the heels are “necessary” is bullshit. Just stop and think for a second. Had this been rocket boots for a MALE character, do you still think they would’ve kept them as high heels? Hell no. That would’ve looked too “feminine” for a MAN to be wearing and felt out of place. They would’ve probably looked more like the Jump Boots from the live action Super Mario Bros movie, and most certainly wouldn’t have been heels.

This is why you not understanding why being sexualized... is a PROBLEM. Giving her rocket boots that looked like rocket boots wouldn’t have been sexualized. Giving her HIGH HEELS and calling them rocket boots is sexualization because there’s no logical reason to make them based off a fashion accessory OTHER than to make her more “sexy.”

5. I agree that the micro heels in Other M were stupid. Can’t deny that. Those were awful as well. But at least with those you didn’t play as Zero Suit Samus until the “bonus” part of the end of the game. And even then she wasn’t meant to do any fighting in her outfit. It was a fetch and retrieve mission which went horribly wrong, and her attire was appropriately out of place (kinda like the whole Zero Suit ending to Metroid Zero Mission). The point is that the Zero Suit is NOT functional as armor or for fighting.

6. I agree with ya here, they ARE big and bulky and ugly. That’s kinda the other problem. They do not match her outfit or make sense visually. The stark yellow and black clashes with her more subtle shades of blue and purple/pink accent. It’s BAD DESIGN. That’s another reason why many of us are pissed off. It doesn’t look thought through enough.

7. Do not think for a second that the fact that Samus’s bikini teasing end-game sprites/pictures/videos etc JUSTIFY the fact that she’s even MORE sexualized now. The fact that they HAD to include those fan-service bits BEFORE is STILL a problem. I love Super Metroid on my SNES, but even I can’t help but feel a little bit pervy when you intentionally play the game in such a way JUST to see her “strip” in the end. The fact that Samus was a woman being a reveal was awesome. The fact that each subsequent game teases seeing her in a less and less clothing is WRONG and DEMEANS the character’s original empowerment.

8. “Why is it, sexy attractive girls aren’t allowed to kick ass”

Because we’re OVER SATURATED with “sexy attractive girls” in EVERY form of media. From comic books to movies to video games, pretty much THE default setting for women is to be “conventionally attractive.” Handing them a gun and having them jump around killing shit doesn’t inherently make them “empowered.” This is extremely BASIC feminism 101 dude. It’s about VARIETY. Men are allowed to be unattractive. Men are allowed to be fat yet still heroic. Men are allowed to be tough and grizzled and obscenely muscular and bad-ass... but women are NOT. They are RARELY if EVER given that opportunity. And one or two exceptions does not disprove the rule, but rather enforces it (otherwise they wouldn’t be called exceptions).

9. And here’s the problem with trying to compare that with ACTUAL female gamers. Those are ACTUAL people with their own personal motivations and intentions. If a female gamer likes high heels and wants to wear them, then more power to her, that’s her decision. But fictional characters like Samus do not make decision themselves. They are DESIGNED to look and act a certain way, and that’s the problem. You cannot compare the idea of “empowering” sexy female game heroins to real life actual people because they don’t actually EXIST in the real world. They have no agency.

10. “Why isn’t Samus allowed to be attractive?”

Because there’s character building attractiveness, and there’s pandering fan-service cliche attractiveness. This is falling on the later. NOTHING about Samus’s Zero Suit makes any sort of sense for her CHARACTER. As a character Samus is a stone cold bounty hunter. She dresses appropriately in a metal suit that helps her get her job done. Her “bad-ass-ness” comes from the fact that she can defeat these giant monsters and makes a living off her career path. The Zero Suit? That is not bad ass. That is pandering. And sure, MAYBE she wants to wear that in her spare time. But if that’s the case it shouldn’t be used as MAIN ARMOR in a FIGHTING GAME. That is absolutely ridiculous logic. So the Zero Suit isn’t about building or defining her character, it’s pandering fan-service. Mario does not need to wear the overalls and hat to be Mario. He can dress however he wants. Samus doesn’t get that choice. It’s either be a bad-ass in a mech suit, or be a scantly clad sexy object for us to ogle.

11. If you want to see women who are super attractive kick ass? Go play EVERY OTHER FIGHTING GAME IN EXISTENCE. This is not “empowering” by any stretch of the imagination. This is not “new” to the game industry. Seriously look back over all the other fighting games and you will see “conventionally attractive” women kicking ass ALL THE TIME. This suit does not further that by any stretch of the imagination. It just wallows in the shallow pandering that we’ve BEEN wallowing in for the past 20-25 YEARS.

And do not think that this means I want Samus to be “unattractive” or something. That is not the point I am trying to make here. The point is that Samus is dressing and acting incoherently with her assigned personality for no good reason. If there’s a justifiable reason for her to act and dress the way she does, then fine. But the more they tinker with Metroid and Samus in general, the more it seems like they’re draining her of her agency to pander to the presumed male demographic of gamers.

I think I’ve reached the point where I think Samus is a good character... in theory. However from what the games and Nintendo have been doing with her lately, I can’t agree that her Zero Suit or her desire to run around in heels is anything other than a sad pathetic excuse to pander to male audiences by giving them, once again, a conventionally attractive woman running around in skin-tight spandex (with boob socks by the way).

12. When gamers and game companies STOP trying to pander like that, THEN i’ll be on the side saying “this stuff is ridiculous, let’s calm down.” But since it’s been over 20 years and this stuff is STILL going on... I don’t think we should be complacent about it.

13. Finally, I’m sorry but I can’t agree with you on the equality issue. Let’s use math to explain why. Let’s pretend that pennies represent the issues women and men go through. In this scenario women have like 15 pennies, and men have 5. Now if we treat the issues equally within a system that is not equal, what do we get? Let’s take away 2 pennies and see. Now women have 13 pennies and men have 3. Do you see the problem here? You cannot fix an unequal system by treating both sides equally. All it does it maintain the status quo. It’s unavoidable, and probably a little morally dubious, but you kinda HAVE to spend MORE time treating ONE side over the other UNTIL things reach a more equal footing. It’s sad but it’s reality. You take away 5 pennies and men are “cured” while women still have 10 pennies. That’s not equality. That’s inequality.

Alright, I’m done ranting now. Gaijin Goombah, I’m sorry but I respectfully disagree with your assertions. I have nothing against you personally, but I see some GAPING flaws in your logic in your video there. Maybe that’s due to lack of sleep, or maybe you’re just “tired” of hearing people harping about these issues (I know I am). But that’s kinda the problem. It’s NOT being fixed. It’s NOT getting better. We can’t be complacent in this, even if it pisses us off and we get tired of hearing about it.
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Lucyann-san Featured By Owner Edited Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, I just wanna say that I don't like the heels because they're ugly as shit. I don't find them sexualized because they're not sexy. If they were actually heels that looked good, kind of like Bayonetta's, I would have a problem with sexualization for the heels. But they're not, they're fugly. 

There are a myriad of other issues that go into degrading Samus's character, but some complaints don't really have much merit. Samus revealing her motherly nature towards the Metroid baby isn't really that much of a bad thing, unless you mean to tell me that historically feminine traits are weak. Samus's cup size being upped and muscle mass consequently going down is an issue, as they are fitting her into a sexy woman body type instead of an athlete like she was previously. Those mini heels? That's sexualization. These ugly, clunky, rocket "boots"? I can see that them giving her heels is the issue in itself, but to myself and many others, it's just not sexy.

What I wonder is why aren't people mad that Peach has been becoming subsequently girlier in every Smash game? From Melee to Brawl, Peach's overall strength and killing power went down considerably. Her serious walk animation was changed to a ditsy skip and her headbutt attack was made into a heart blast. She now holds her dress when she runs instead of running with her hands free. Peach Bomber went from being an actual bomb to an explosion of hearts (and in pre-release Melee, it was a drop kick, which means someone had to have changed it into a butt attack). Furthermore, her Final Smash was pulled out of someone's butt and is the absolute worst in game, and from Brawl to Smash 4, her aerial upwards kick was changed to a rainbow blast. I would tell people to "taste the rainbow," but her old attack was much more useful. Oh, and in Melee, she had flats; in Brawl and Smash 4, she has heels...hm...

You could say I'm complaining about aesthetic changes, but all the "girlified" attacks are significantly weaker than their original counterparts. I suppose you can argue her Melee representation was not accurate to Peach at all, but when has Peach ever used a "Peach Blossom"?

And what about Palutena? Palutena's original design was very warrior like; although it was still a full body dress, it wasn't strapless, and she had flat shoes and a helmet, as well as a larger shield. Her original design was more battle ready than her design now. And one of her taunts and victory animations is pole dancing with her staff. Why aren't there any issues with her?

Zelda is supposed to be a "glass cannon" in Smash Bros, but she's more glass than she is cannon. All her attacks must be sweetspotted to do anything worth shit and her movement speed is slow and approach options lacking. Her dressing as male (as Sheik) is her faster, more effective version. Clearly, the message here is that men/masculine traits are stronger or better than femininity. No issues with Zelda?

Let's also add to the fact that we have to resort to transformations and alternate costumes to have an all female 8-player Smash.

The point is the issue cannot just be Samus. The issue lies with a lot of the women in Smash Bros. Samus cannot just be singled out for not being as manly as she used to be, and yes, sexualization is an issue, but so is the notion that anything that's feminine is inherently weak. Which is strange, because these so-called heels have rocketed her to the title of best in game. (See what I did there?)
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lrgp39 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 29, 2015
One thing is that she might like wearing heels I mean we don't quite know what's inside the shoes of the power suit now do we. Because of advanced strength and training from the Chozo heels might not bother her as a regular woman. Now don't get me wrong, I am NOT defending this.  I don't like how she's objectified, One of main reasons why I like her is because of her pre-other M personality. The moment I saw the 'jet' boots I rolled my eyes, I am just finding ways to rationalize why someone like Samus would wear heels.
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super-Epic-Waffle Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not really sure why people are complaining about JUST Samus wearing heels. Princess Peach, Rosalina, and even Palutena all wear heels and are all fighters in Smash Bros. Yeah in real life, heels wouldn't be ideal in battle but c'mon. it's a game. Not everything has to be realistic video games.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2015
Smash Bros. is a series of video games about short plumbers, psychic children and animals living in tiny balls brawling it out. It is swords against laser guns, magic against technology, armless, pink blobs against giant, floating hands. Absolutely everything goes!
Except high heels. That is just unrealistic.

Metroid other M is a different story, because they where going for dark, gritty drama there.
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Sonic-chaos Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The high-heels are like givings Captain Falcon a mustache.
He never needed on to be manly. Samus didn't need high heels to be feminine.
Also they are pointless since she could do all the crap she does in Smash 4 without using the jet-heels.

Is like if they gave Bowser a flame thrower or giving Pikachu a stunt gun. The hell is the point? Also lol at Other M being dark gritty drama.
It was melodramatic.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015
The idea of the heels was to make Samus look feminine?
Those aren't exactly Guccis.
 
Well, there are the fire flower and raygun item.

I think Other M was intended to be dark, gritty drama.
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DasNamiLP Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know it's an old journal but I want to say this:
Heels, well would be okay if she would wear heels for a dinner party with a pretty dress.
But for a battle? Even running away would be hell in these. The suit makes sense when she WEARS her armor. 
But yeah, logic in video games. It's okay if it doesn't make much sense from time to time. But it's most of the time like that.
Main charater is a Girl? Let her show much skin and wear heels! 
I like Heather Mason from Silent Hill. She is a good female (main) character.
But then there are games like dead or alive...
I mean some of the girls have really cute outfits, like one has a panda hoodie, a black not too short skirt, white knee-socks and cute little black shoes, looks really cute but how the breast physic works in this game... Fan service is all I can say...
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2015
"But for a battle? Even running away would be hell in these."
The other women are wearing ground long dresses. Doesn't make sense in therms of mobility either, yet nobody complains about that.
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DasNamiLP Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thats true
But as long you can move in the dress it isn't such a real problem. If it's a dress which you can't really move, well then you have a problem. And you still could lift the dress with one hand when it's too long.
But a fighter should never wear heels or a dress/skirt. No matter if male or female.
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Fighters in dresses are in Smash Bros. since the GameCube. Peach wears a very complicated dress, yet nobody complained how unrealistic it is.
Now comes the best part: Peach wears heels too. Again, nobody cared.
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Sonic-chaos Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You do realize that the characters with long dresses and heels are some of the slowest character in the game and have bad mobility.
Also Pleach is a assumed to float because of said dress. And those dresses have been part of the characters for years. Samus never wore heels until now. And the concept art for Zero Suit Samus in Zero Mission specifically points out to not give her high heels since it wouldn't make any damn sense. 

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So what's your point?
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015
So your issue is that one of the characters isn't exactly like in the games?
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DasNamiLP Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think it's because you can't take her really serious.
I mean one of her best attacks she has is done with her butt!
But yeah. Peach herself doesn't make sense as a fighter.
Unlike Samus. Maybe because of this people got mad about the heels hm.... Well I don't know.
I think the heels look cool but for a real fight it would be really stupid.
And Zelda wears a dress too but she fights more with magic so I think it's ok for her.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015
Samus is teamed up with Pikachu in Brawl. So it is not entirely canon.
Then again, Other M revealed Ridley is a Pokémon, since he evolved 2 times.

I completely forgot what point I wanted to make.
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DasNamiLP Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well smash is in the end a fun game. Peopl shouldn't get so mad about unrealistic things in games. But if in a Game every dam female character runs around in heels a dress or almost nothing, then I will hate it a little bit. It can't be that hard to creat a bad ass character without (too much) fanservice. No matter if male or female.
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ShadowCatGamer Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
3: you way this as if women don't WANT superman, or other male hero's. A guy reads a comic and may say, " I want to be like superman." while a girl reads one and says, "I want to be like wonderwoman." It's the same with fan pandering, a male reader probably wants to see female heroes half naked, and I know when I see some buff super hero get his shirt torn off, I certainly perk up a bit more, and pay more attention.
I sounds like your trying to "defend women's honor" or something, but have forgotten that we get fan service too. You shouldn't just ignore half the argument to get your point across.

4: I think the shoes look cute. All my female friends think they look cute. If they were boots it would have been boring. Yes, if they were for a male character they probably would have been normal old boots, but that's the thing, she's NOT male. Girls LIKE high heels, we like playing characters with them because they're cute, and that's it! Having Samus wear high heels isn't "sexualizing" her, it's giving her a cute outfit.

6: You complain that the shoes sexualize Samus, then complain that they're too ugly? .... if they were more sleek and matched her outfit better would they not be sexual anymore? Cuz that's what it sounds like your saying.

8: "Men are allowed to be fat yet still heroic." Like who? Mario? He's not really fat, just a little portly. Every male protagonist I can think of is just a grizzled super-buff guy, with a deep voice and who gets all the ladies. Are women varied in media? No, not really, but neither are the men.

10: Samus is either a bad-ass in a mech suit, or a bad-ass in a jump suit, the outfit literally doesn't matter. Do you get to see her curves more clearly in the jumpsuit? Yeah, duh, but she still kicks ass. My friend (a female) prefers to fight as zero suit samus, because she feels less clunky and can move around easier. Never once did either of us say, "Samus feels objectified"( or anything like that) because we thought it was cool that she didn't NEED the armor to win.
Also, let's look at the rest of the roster for a second; the mario bos don't wear armor, but they can still fight. Peach, Rosalina, Palutina, and Zelda exclusively fight in dresses and heels, they can still fight. Pit's almost naked in his toga. Nes and the Villager just wear t-shirts and shorts. Wii fit trainer just has measly work-out attire. 
Complaining that a jumpsuit isn't very suited for battle seems a little silly now, doesn't it?

12: If you care about equality so much, why aren't you butt-hurt about the "oversexualization" of Snake in brawl? He's in a jumpsuit too, he's also almost unrealistically attractive too. ... is it because his outfit didn't come with heels? 

All in all it feels like your over reacting. You can't pretend like every woman ever in every media is always being objectified all the time, while me get off scott-free. It's cool that the matter of objectified women matters to you, but I can't help but feel like your going just a little over board. Every female I know looked at zero suit Samus and went, "cool." we don't feel like she's over sexualized or that she's turned into nothing more than fan pandering, she just got a new outfit... and now it has rocket-high heels. We like her design she's fun to play as and fun to cosplay as. Maybe you should just calm down a little, huh?
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DevilDoom1594 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
I Wonder how he feels about Faith "Zephyr" from the Valiant Comics.
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GoblinPrincess Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2014
This text gives me back some of my lost faith in the future of feminism. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.
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DreamLandWarrior Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
As a non-binary individual that partially identifies with girls, I can 100% agree on this.
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Le-Ask-Washington Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014
((:iconslowclapplz: Well said, very well said.
*and this is coming from a girl! XD*
You have said everything very well~))
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magikarpfever Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Preach, just freaking preach man, but seriously you are like my soul animal (if a person can be another person's soul animal??) you sir restore my hope in humanity, I applaud you
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Kahunathekid Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
at least she's not wearing a bikini
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fattendrils Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Student General Artist
Gonna make a male who uses rocket boot heels now, because fuck stereotypes. Thanks for the idea.
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NotMolo Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Could be a lot worse. They could have given her green eyes.
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N-Sigma Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
1. its a game
2. its a Smash Bros Game
3. its not Samus game or Metroid (wathever you want to call it)
4. its for THIS generation

Back in our days we discover (or me and my brother) that Samus ITS a woman in Game Boy Advance Game and I was shocked but I dint think bad about it be cause she still is badass. like I say before its for this generation gamers not just us be cause we already know about Samus and all of that stuff but the new gamers... the new generation gamers dont know that or at least know that by past games but they need to have an idea of who Samus is. (A Woman with heels,boobs and power lol) but im okay with that and I think is not a big deal.

Our Generation its Over like X and Megaman so we need to let the New Generation Enjoy or rather we will be like grandpha's saying ''back in my days Mario or Link or there was a character called X'' (I already say it tought) however what im trying to say its that Nintendo dont want our attention... what they want its the new generation attention or people who born in 2000 attention and that's okay be cause they want money and  kid happines (but more money tough) .
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Gatman720 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My only response is this and I'm sorry if this makes me sound ignorant (trust me this isn't the first and most certainly isn't the last)

Who. Cares? We can bitch, moan and even defend it all we want but in the end of the day their just SHOES, freaking shoes. Big breast I can understand, revealing outfits/designs I can understand, making the character sound sexual or just there for sex appeal I understand.

But shoes? Never in my whole life I ever saw shoes (especially high heels) sexy. I never thought anyone look sexy in shoes, why? Because there just something we wear on our feet, unless you have a fetish for that kind of stuff I don't see anything that is considered sexual.

It's not like their forcing us to play as Zero Suit Samus to admire her design, I really doubt she gonna be one of the characters we start out with and have to unlock power suit Samus (which I thought she's better known with) and I don't think if we beat the arcade mode (or whatever they have for single player content) under a short amount of time and she suddenly change in her bikini and it's not like they'll be using her "assets" to advertise the game or any game for that matter (I'm looking at you Soul Calibur). Because yeah that is kinda ridiculous.

Another thing to point out that this isn't even her game, I may be able to let this slide if this controversy is about one of her games but this isn't, it's Nintendo's game for Nintendo characters. If you don't want to play as Zero Suit because how she looks fine, play as Zelda, Shiek, Peach, Wii Fit Trainer or the possibility of Lucina or Robin with a female skin (Fire Emblem) you don't have to be a bitter cynic about it. I know your not and I know you have good reasons but there got to be exceptions to this stuff.

They can change or add whatever to Samus all they want but one thing they can't change is her core as a character. I heard female characters can be fun and sexy at the same time and I agree to a certain extent. If their a interesting and enjoying character that we want to root for that also happen to look like a pants less Power Ranger in a mini-skirt and that's fine. Because odds are were not attracted to the character because how she looks it's how she is, but for those that are attracted to her looks well at least their into a character that also have a relatable personality and not some sexual gold fish.
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grandpagohan1 Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
You can be upset over her high heels all you want, but in the context of this game, tough shit. What's done is done.

Also your argument that the heels go against her established personality is flawed. Sammy never HAD a goddamn personality to begin with. That is the real reason people were pissed with other M. That went against what the had created in their heads as Samus' personality.

Lastly, they just fuckin rocket boots. Nothing more, nothing less. This whole argument is stupid. Despite so many people whining (and yes, you guys are whining) how many are gonna ignore it when the ACTUAL game comes out? It's a non-issue.
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hothead14 Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
I've always preferred the zero suit over the bikini she wore in early games because to me it was Less Sexual and fit more with the sic fi world metroid is in. Maybe its cause in my head it reminds me of like the body suits astronauts wear to get into their space suits better. logically, the zero suit has always made sense to me, and i always just saw it as the "first layer" of her power suit, with like self contained temp. regulation and crap like that. 

these high heels piss me off because that means that now it really is fan service. you can't tell me she wears those things under the power suit, and you can't tell me she wears the zero suit only outside the power suit. it's all bullshit. 
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mega-guardevoir Featured By Owner May 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Omg thank you so much this was such a good read you summed up my feelings
perfectly, you have clearly listened to women and their problems and well, common sense.
Thank you, I really wish more guys would do that instead of ignoring our complains
when they really hurt us. 

And wow, I couldn't even watch the whole video because when he went ''Shouldn't there
be a huge uproar over how women are portrayed in magazines made by women'' I just went
''CLEARLY HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING'' BECAUSE, the amount of skinny pretty white
models half naked I see everyday on the bus, train, in my mailbox, on my favorite sites
PISSES ME OFF, ALL THE TIME. And who said all magazines are made by women? Cause I'm
pretty sure I know who is in charge of the editing of all those photos. 
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dragoeniex Featured By Owner May 12, 2014
Thanks for the thoughtful response. :) As a casual gamer of the female variety, it does make me sad to see all of the female characters being sexualized. I'd like to see more diverse body types (like mine- small "curves" but not a thin body, even without being overweight)... But I can live with well-built heroines. Healthy, limber figures are usually practical.

What gets me are the parts that aren't useful. Big busts for all the ladies, for example. Those are actually kind of a pain to have and could get in the way of some things. Like wielding certain weapons. I'm not against big busts, but I'd like to see more of the smaller sets too.

Clothing is the kicker. In most of the games, the male characters or players get much more practical clothing than the women. This frustrates me. Sure, some can be sexy, but that shouldn't be the only option. It feels degrading. I can pick a guy who's well-equipped for his environment, or I can pick the girl whose shorts barely cover her butt.

Even if we're stuck in a rut, posts like yours make me smile. I like knowing that other people- including some guys- playing or looking at a game take issue with the difference too.
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CKninjaboy Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How to solve arguement:
Step 1. Select Power Suit Samus.
Step 2. Proceed to stage selection.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That doesn't "solve" anything. That just ignores that there's a problem at all which, in the long run, is harmful.

If you don't take action when there is an injustice, you have picked the side of the oppressor.
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CKninjaboy Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm just saying, I really don't use Samus in that form anyway.
Also, I'm saying to anyone, but what some people have said about certain areas of her body being enlarged, I'm pretty sure that they aren't and that it's just the lighting, as her suit is now much more reflective.
This is not the first time I've seen a character fight in heels.

Also, it's not "injustice"
I simply don't want to argue with someone who's opinion won't change. It would be like talking to a brick wall.
I just want to have fun with my friends playing the game as a whole rather than have it ruined by something I won't really notice.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What you're saying is you don't want to deal with a problem because it makes you feel bad. Which is fine. You can do that.

But when you start telling other people to be quiet because you don't want to deal with the problem, that's when it turns selfish and dismissive and really offensive. So please don't so that.
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grandpagohan1 Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
Actually what he's saying is you don't have to justify your opinion and neither does he because neither of you will change it. I personally like her design, but that doesn't mean I objectify women, but I feel no need to explain. I'm not gonna try and change what anyone has to say on the matter at all. For me it's a non-issue.
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LORD-BIG-DOGGIE Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Student General Artist
Thank you, very well thought out.  Thank you for speaking up for those whose voice won't reach as far as yours.
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Bladebrent Featured By Owner May 6, 2014
Here's a question for you then, how would YOU design zero suit samus?  Given that Zero Suit Samus has a completely different playstyle than normal Samus and has become a popular choice for players, it be a silly to take her out of the game, so if you were to draw the next design for Zero suit samus in smash bros or Metroid or whatever, how would you draw her in a way that wasn't sexualized?

Also, I agree.  Those heels totally don't go with that outfit
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jmhguy Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
i guess that he would make it worse,but that is just me
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Skypaw101 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Thank you, Tom Preston. I love that you are willing to talk about these issues with us, that you argue so well, and that you are passionate about this. So many men don't talk about this because it makes them uncomfortable to recognize these issues. I think that's where a lot of the aggressive/ defensive arguments online come from.

You are totally awesome. Peace.
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Le-escritor-VBA Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
when i watched the video, i got some kind of "i don't agree" feeling, but culdn't explain why. Now i do.

I didn't mind Zero Suit Samus i Brawl, but her new look is... weird.
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Le-escritor-VBA Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
i mean: i didn't mind Zero Suit Samus IN Brawls. Stupid non-editable comments.
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billyreveille Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
I agree with you.
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Keytee-chan Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You should know, i showed my mom both designs of Samus, and she likes SSBU design of Samus more. 
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Keytee-chan Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Being Sexualized is NOT a problem... 
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TomPreston Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Absolutely not. It's the way in which companies exploit it that's the problem.
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Keytee-chan Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So? What's a big deal? They're making your family sexualized? No, they making IMAGINARY characters sexualized. 
I'm absolutely okay with Samus Zero Suit. I love Power Suit more, by Zero Suit is okay.
But still, Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII is more my favorite character... and she's not sexualized!
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gabrielcrimson Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014
Have you googled images of her lately?
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Keytee-chan Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...cripe. 
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gabrielcrimson Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014
If there's a female character in any media, they'll be made all sexified eventually .
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