I don't want to be big on YouTube, that's for sure. I've never liked getting in-front of the camera, I don't have the time or ambition to work on animations anymore, and I certainly can't crank out videos as fast as some of the big guys over there. It's a huge competition and I just don't want to have anything to do with that. I think my youtube page is marked private and you have to have specific links to view anything. I might make an odd video here or there, but they're most likely just goofy things I do for fun, not for any sort of attention or recognition.
I'm curious about how I should move forward with DA. I think a majority of my haters are outraged that I'm popular on DA and that I'm content with drawing simple cartoons when I'm obviously talented enough to do more complex works. I've wondered what would happen if I moved most of my major series off of DA and just kept producing them on my own websites. Would my"haters" back off because I'm not using an art critiquing website as my primary source of promoting? Would my fans be willing to follow me to various websites to get their content? Despite the fact I don't make money off of DA pageviews, any comic I post here with a link to my site generates me a lot more money than if I don't post at all. Could I afford the potential drop in viewers from not advertising on DA anymore? There's a lot to consider.
I'm also thinking of slowing down. I've been cranking out SYAC one comic every 2 days. And while SYAC is generally simpler and easier to complete, the rigorous schedule does eat into my time working on other projects. I'd like to ease off a bit on SYAC so I can focus on maintaining the other series I have and hopefully bump the quality up a notch. But again, the pageviews and money generated from SYAC's set schedule is a big source of my revenue right now, and I don't know if I can afford a drop. I will be launching Soapbox Derpy soon (a new website dedicated to political and pop-culture comics), and I'm also working on a new comic project while maintaining Alex Ze Pirate. That's like 4 different websites I gotta keep running regularly, and all of them take time to produce content. I'm still trying to figure out the balancing act of which comic gets what priority.
Honestly, I just wanna make comics. I just want people to enjoy the stuff I have. I have no real goals of being outrageously famous, or having big comic deals with major studios. As long as I can get paid for producing my own content with my own characters, I'm happy. I'm not a great artist or writer, but I am working on it. And despite the perception, I do listen to the negative feedback and strive to improve when I feel it necessary. I know a lot of people misunderstood my post "Sins of an artist" where I mentioned that improving wasn't an ultimate goal, and it still isn't. But that doesn't mean I won't improve or that I've "given up" improving entirely. Some of my recent SYAC should be evidence of that. I'll try to make more of an effort to experiment on certain things, but I don't wanna feel pressured to do it either.
That's primarily why I also want a writer for one of my stories, and why I've been looking for editors for my comics. I need someone to bounce my ideas off of before I begin working. I've really discovered how wonderful it is to have a teammate who can look over your work from a different viewpoint and offer ideas and suggestions I might not have thought of.... or correct me if I do something wrong. If at all possible, I would like to hire a writer/editor to look over nearly all my stuff before I post. However, this is probably not possible at the moment.
I'm not entirely sure how to go about doing this either... I could easily just ask here on DA "i'm looking for a writer, apply through notes" and what not, but I feel like I might get overwhelmed with responses. I'm also not sure how to judge the writing either. Like, does someone submit a script? Do I tell them what to write about? How much freedom do they have? How do we arrange things? So many questions, I'm not sure what to do. At least with the editor part I can ask friends and family to look over my stuff. With an actual writer... I dunno. They have to be special for the part and know how to write for comics and be able to write emotionally for the characters and scenarios...
Blah.. this was really all over the place. Sorry about that. But I think it helped me get my ideas out. I've been thinking about a lot of things recently and sometimes it's just helpful to write, you know? Also, it's my journal so I can post whatever I want. HA! lol.
Anyway, those are my thoughts this morning.
- Listening to: Escapist Podcast
- Reading: Paper Towns
- Watching: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
- Playing: Minecraft: Multiplayer
- Eating: Jaffa Cakes
- Drinking: English Breakfast Tea
In my opinion the point of deviant art is to get your work out to a large and diverse audience so you can get opinions, advice, and exposure. You may call it "hating" but some of the comments are actually intended to make you a better artist (WHO DOESNT WANNA BE A BETTER ARTIST!?)--i mean you have that whole comic about the kid who's sub art teacher forces him out of his bad art habits and he actually improves.
On the other hand do you deserve more respect then what a lot of people give you? Yes. There are some comments that Ive read that are straight up rude.
Anyhow just a thought from some random person--take what you wish from it I guess, tho I hope you can agree.
I really like your SYAC-cartoons. Sure, they are simple but so are the best things in life. If you moved to another site I would follow because I really like what you do. I think your comics are funny. I enjoy them. And I'm sorry that those who doesn't, don't have the brains enough to just move on the other things they actually enjoy. One would think people could at the very least be able to think that out for them selves...
I think you're awesome
I'm sure some people who come off to you as haters may be giving you helpful advice, and although acting on criticism (especially when it is harsh like Carl's critic) might be hard and may stop the haters, it'll certaintly please your fans to know you are taking your time to improve your content for them.
Wow, I sound like I know what I'm talking about
Be carful what you say, and god bless.
I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying, and sorry for this, that if you're fans allowed to be as big as you are, and the experienced ones try to help you get better, but you say you can do it and you don't need their advice, is very egotistic and, well, stupid. That's my thoughts. Good luck to you and hopefully, you learn from this experience.
It would be a great idea to team up with one or two people to bounce ideas around with. Having a second eye on things is a great thing, believe me on that. You just need to find the right people to do that with. As much as I would love to volunteer myself since I love to write stories, the decision to have an editor/writer/team mate is ultimately up to you.
Yeah. So. This has next to nothing to do with the journal, but I'd like to say that it's always fun to watch the artists on DA strive to bigger and better things.
Best of luck, man!
No, TomPreston. They don't hate you because you're popular. They hate you because you give off an egotistical aura, you take criticism badly, you block people for being helpful, you like to victimize yourself rather than realise that you actually kind of do suck at art, and more.
Don't get me wrong - and I hope you read this entire message - I would LOVE to respect you. I would LOVE to hit the watch button for you. Shit, if you did more stuff like the Big Ben clocktower, then I think I actually would. I don't think you are "content" with doing simple cartoons; I think you are too lazy to move forward and TRY to improve your art at all.
SYAC is dull. It's not funny. It's not humorous at all. Also, it lacks motion and purpose, and your art for it is pretty repetitive and boring. The one time I actually liked looking at it was when it had the characters from Fresh Epics on it, because they actually had the semblance of personalities. I think you need to get the stick out of your ass and get to work.
"I've wondered what would happen if I moved most of my major series off of DA and just kept producing them on my own websites. Would my"haters" back off because I'm not using an art critiquing website as my primary source of promoting?"
I think your haters would probably back off because they don't want to see your art, so why would they go out of their way to go to a website primarily made for your art?
Watch me get blocked for my comments, lulz.
It would be an honor to write scripts and such for you. With the description of what your looking for up there, I'm sure can find someone on deviant art.
I would think, though, that you would both discuss and negotiate until you both come to a satisfactory idea that can be scripted and written.
Mhhh, tea. I prefer Irish Breakfast Tea though.
Not post a 5-6 paragraph journal about how it sucks and you wish it would change. If the popularity is what's getting to you, or if that's the reason you honestly think people dislike you-- Start a new Account.
Needless to say, most of his detractors belong in the latter. Tom still thinks they are trolls. For example, he called the creator of this video a "troll," even though the video was an extended lecture on what he's doing wrong ([link]). He also called 's journal on him not very useful, even though it elaborated on why he refuses to improve and why that brings such a negative backlash.
He also believes that constructive criticism means you should praise some aspect of his art before saying something negative. How is praising his art supposed to help him improve his behavior (i.e. the goal of giving out constructive criticism)?
As for me, I like his comics. I think they're fun. I do think they're simple and that he's also got the talent to draw more complex stuff. That doesn't make me like SYAC any less.
What I don't get is, if people hate him so much, why do they keep coming back?! When I see art or an artist I don't like, I dust of my shoulders and keep moving. A lot of this so called "constructive critisism" is nothing more then self-righteous down-tearing of another person. I don't think that because someone told me to think so but because that is what I get from what they say.
It's as simple as that.
I like a few select SYAC strips, such as this one ([link]), but I dislike how a lot of them are carried out, like the Justin Biber one *cringe*. Preston really needs to stop doing strips like "Backlash" and creating strawmen that only appear in one strip. And some of the stuff he puzzles over in the strips have perfectly reasonable explanations to them.
And the detractors keep coming back because Tom Preston is, well, stubborn and sticks to his much-hated ways. Also, Tom Preston himself makes no effort to ignore them at all; most of the first SYAC strips pose critiquers as strawmen to shoot down, and the trend still continues. Not to mention that he tends to mention his detractors in his journals and comments.
Perhaps the reason why they keep coming back is that they see him as the example of how not to be an artist, and thus they feel the need to point out what Dobson/Preston is doing wrong so that others don't do the same. Especially since Preston keeps on saying that he offers advice to others wanting to be artists and has posted up tutorials on his style.
And I said I like some strips, especially the "Burnt Out" one he recently did. I do have some hope that he can improve, and learn how to deal with criticism in a better manner. But even if I did hate the strip with all of my heart, why would the "don't like, don't look" argument be valid? People are going to take time out of their schedules to gather around a trainwreck no matter how gruesome the calamity was. And if people followed this "don't like, don't look" principle you cite, then we wouldn't become aware of stuff like KONY 2012 and the nuclear talks between U.S. and Iran. Needless to say, people are going to hang around unfortunate things and state their opinions on them no matter what.
As for me, I stick around here to try to correct people's views that Preston's detractors are mindless, self-praising trolls as well as other incorrect assumptions about art and stuff about Dobson. I don't necessarily hate Andrew Dobson, I just wish that he would drop some of his bad habits. And I'm not trying to jump on a bandwagon for attention, I'm doing this because I feel it is right and it would help to have someone who has seen both sides of Dobson's followers. Typing this out is certainly a more sensible option to me than making a drawing and attempting to cram all of these ideas in pictorial form.
I may never surpass Tom's drawing skills, but I can avoid the mistakes he makes and accept critique in a better manner. But ultimately, that's not my goal in participating in discussions about Preston. My goal is to simply offer my opinion and try to help others see things in a different light.
I'll end this response with a quick note for you. You seem to have the impression that people who criticize or show dislike towards Preston must be concerned with inflating their egos. That's not the case at all. Look at all the criticisms Preston has been given and tell me if any of them use "I'm better than you" as a reason to back them up. They're pretty reasonable and based on logic, so I don't understand why you think the detractors have personal motives to boost their self-images through their statements.
People have emotions and opinions. People will get genuinely offended and upset at art and other people's behaviour.
Also Miragician wasn't insulting anyone; only saying their opinion, which is precisely what TomPreston does. Stop using labelling people to make yourself sound more valid.
And most importantly, if he doesn't listen... so what? You warned him, he didn't listen, he's doing it under his own judgement; if his work doesn't improve, then its his fault, you were right, end of story.
The only one who'll be affected is him... (that is if he really didn't listened to criticism).
And don't tell me people is just trying to help him... they're not. They're just mad at him because he didn't listened to them... just like a troll would be...
No, you know what? I figured out why are they angry. It's because he made comics like this: [link]
Comics were he expresses his personal points of view, explains them aaaand people didn't liked what he said. That's the whole issue here and from then on, they just started trolling him and get more pissed off and butthurted when he gets into the front page.
The issue has never been about his art or jokes, it has been about his points of view and how pissed off people is about them.
1.- say what works.
2.- say what doesn't work.
3.- propose to the artist a way to get better.
And I mean, it's not that you're not talented. You're obviously very capable of drawing, capturing form, conveying... Things. But it's very obvious you're getting lazy with it. Your art is starting to stagnate. You've got a lot of SAME FACE/SAME POSE/SAME EVERYTHING going on, and you've said that you're afraid of deviating from that because you have your fans to consider. Well, consider for a moment that your fans are actually holding you back from artistic progress--and you allow it. You figure if you try something new, or try to shape up what you do, you'll somehow be losing an essential essence to your work, and ultimately, your fans. But we all know that ain't how it goes down.
If your fans are real fans, they will accept and appreciate any direction you decide to take your art. Also, you may find that some haters could become... Well, less hateful toward you. And maybe you'd start to see the joy in drawing again. Who knows!
Die mr dobson, Die die die.
Meh, do what you want. I can't tell artists how to show their work.
Then I instantly felt better. I'll just leave this here, in case anyone else is stewing for whatever reason.
It feels good
Why can't the poor guy do what he wants? It's not affecting your life in any way unless you make it. See above statement if that is true. Let bygones be bygones.
So, let's mirror it.
"So can't so-called critics do what they want?"
I have no problem with those haters. In fact. I sometimes agree with them... like he thinks that all of PS3 players are morons and nintendo haters.
Uh, hello? I love PS3 and i also love Nintendo 3DS.