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I don't particularly enjoy the redesign of the submissions page, but overall I think it is an improvement. How about that, a DA update that didn't immediate piss me off and looks promising? Never thought I'd see the day!

What actually looks the most intriguing to me is the feature to allow digitally distributed content. That system actually makes the DA point feature look appealing. See, DA? That's how you get me interested in your points. Make a system that's fluid and works well and doesn't screw over the users using it (like your commission app does tompreston.deviantart.com/jour… ).

I'm interested in trying it out, but I don't know what I would offer, or how much I'd offer it for. Like, would people be interested in downloading step by step illustrations? Or the original sketches to an illustration if it was cheap enough? Or purchasing the full resolution version of my work? Would it be better to submit a whole comic book or offer the booklets I've talked about? Would anyone even buy them if they were offered through DA's cumbersome point system?

Goodness... the prospect of selling my content through DA is kinda a freaky concept... I dunno how I feel about that. How do you guys feel about it? What sorts of "premium content" would you like to see and what would you be willing to "pay" for it, if at all?
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OzzieScribbler Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
I'd like to rather pay for things through Paypal than some nonconvertible virtual currency, thank you very much. I never understood why so many people roll with this asinine point system in the first place.
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Paladin343 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm afraid I'm bound to be singularly unhelpful:
I'd love premium content, but I have little money that's not going towards vital things (school, car, food, rent, utilities) and that little is being saved for the expensive emergencies that continually crop up (computer, car).
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Mister-Sidd Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
i come to dA for free art viewing and discussion... money would really wreck my world
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MouseDenton Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
I'm opposed to paying for access to a marketplace or other "exclusive" feature, unless it's a one-time payment. The word "premium" makes my blood boil and causes the proletariat gears of the war machine that is my mind begin grinding with anger at the........ yea, it's videogame related.



Fucking APB:R... Goddamnit...
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mosobot64 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
I've been trying to sell full pdf editions of my comics through DA. [link]

Not sure if the point system is helping, though...
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JadtheDog Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
Pin ups. :3
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PaintedCricket Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's actually pretty good. It doesn't mix in your points and your earnings, giving you withdraw-to options. And you don't have to keep up with (and forget) to send people something. And the pages in the back don't look like a grand mess of beta.

I don't mind the 20% cut because the premium content I'd sell is only for small things, like linearts and PSD templates that I wouldn't be making a lot off of and am mostly offering for fun and for ease. But if I had a large commission, I'd request it directly to Paypal.

I can see where dA would use the money on. Companies are always trying to expand, yeah, but every weekly update either brings a new feature in beta or a plan for one. Plus, the 1k search limit people were complaining about endlessly was lifted when the endless scrolling came around. If the previous way to search was strenuous on the system, imaging how it's become with endless scrolling. Nobody's noticed but me, I'm sure.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not saying DA doesn't deserve money... I'm simply saying there are ways they could compete and make their offerings attractive to new customers by being competitive and not being glutenous about it. 20% is mighty steep when a lot of stuff is being sold so low.

Like I keep saying, if they made it free for users who buy premium memberships, it would lead to more premium memberships being bought (which are more expensive than that 20% cut and thus earn them more money in the long run). Heck, even just reducing it down to 10% would make it more attractive and more people would be willing to use the system, thus earning them more income.

I think what bugs me about DA is how they try to gouge their customer base when there are other places that offer better more efficient services.
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PaintedCricket Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It would help. They raised the price for Groups recently. I'd hoped they'd improve or add, but they didn't and they still raised the price. It was just introductory, but it's been there for years. You'd think they'd have time to make a groups-specific tool if they managed to change the whole site layout in that time.

Even people who spurge notice it's no deal.
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GWoolley Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Filmographer
When I first saw the premium content option, I thought it was a good idea. But unfortunately I don't have a use for points and it's a closed system so I would not proffit in any way.
If you could change your earned points into real cash, the type that I can buy real food with and shove down my throat. Then Yes. I'd totally be for the system.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You can. You can covert your points into paypal money and transfer it to your bank account.
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GWoolley Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Filmographer
I had similar problems with the upload premium content filter also, despite the fact that I had already pre zipped the files when I tried uploading. It did work it just took some fiddling and luck!
What you should have done was what I did, upload the finished example first and added the premium content afterwards.

Now either I missed the thing about converting the points into money, or it wasn't implemented at the time.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's kinda tucked away, so you might need to search a bit to find it... but it is there.
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Emberguard Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013   General Artist
Actually anything earned through pay to download or the commissions widgets can be made into real cash either with a cheque or PayPal. You just lose 20% in the process
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GWoolley Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Filmographer
Either I missed that about converting the points, or it wasn't implemented at the time.
But thank you for letting me know, but it is a little cheecky putting the commission charge at 20% when most places do 10% or 15%.
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InvisibleKing Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
premium content aslo takes profit from you so is the same thing as the commision widget, but actually these two are pretty usefull because it gives you the right to transform the points won trough them in money.
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Kindii Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To add to that 'what to do with the download deviations for points' thing, offering line art for people to color could sell pretty well. But I expect more line art for wolves and ponies to crop up than anything else. =w=;;
I'm not sure if dA takes a cut of it, but at least you'd be drawing the line art only once and multiple people could buy it.
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Emberguard Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013   General Artist
if you mean the pay to download, that's been available for a lot longer then the commission app... and it's always taken away 20%. But it is handy to have. Means you can set up your own product that people can use only if they buy it off of you. Some people set it up so that you have to pay to download lineart for adoptables, and then whoever downloads it is allowed to use the lineart for any adoptables they make.
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namenotrequired Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Interface Designer
It's available for everyone now. :D
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Emberguard Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013   General Artist
Yeah, I got pay to download months and months ago, (about 3 or 4?) back when I was a non-premium. An admin told me then that it was going to be made available to everyone eventually. I thought it would have been available to everyone ages ago by now.
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Negai-Boshi Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've mostly seen the premium content used for stock images, like model photos, brushes, textures, etc. I think it's really great for that sort of download.

For your purposes, I think it wouldn't be too useful. Selling the booklets would probably be more effective not using points. And honestly, I don't think many people would pay for step by step illustrations or sketches. Unless they were REALLY cheap, I can't see a reason why someone would really want to pay for something like that....
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Naeomi Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
DA takes a hefty percentage of all sales through their widget and premium content options. Its better off just to do them directly.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aw damnit... still? I thought that was just through the commissions app... how bad is the premium option?
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Magical525 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
They take 20% with that too. It's why they decided to do the same % for the commissions ap. Unlike the commissions ap it is almost worth it as it makes it possible to sell something easily and you get to exchange the points to real money.

Personally I wouldn't use either though - the cut they take is just too much for a digital sale.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow that sucks... We're already paying them for premium memberships... Why is the percentage so high? Anything under 10% would be acceptable and would encourage more people to use it...
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Magical525 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I have no idea why they chose 20%. Personally I think it's too much, I can understand a bit when you cash points in for real hard cash (most banks have a set fee when you exchange foreign currency, so a set fee for points to cash seems reasonable) and I can also understand a small % (say 2-5%) for using this, but I don't think more should be taken and wouldn't use it myself.
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Naeomi Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
As far as i'm aware, its all the same rates across the board. I actually didn't know it was also applied to premium content until after the commission widget fiasco. Someone correct me if i'm wrong though.
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vindurza Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
sounds intriguing
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Orannis0 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
>buying DA points to buy stuff

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAno.
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Red-Rat-Writer Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Student General Artist
Uh...
Why don't you make a poll?
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SilverYoshi Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Wait...so do you like or dislike the commission widget? I actually just used someone else's the other day to purchase a drawing. Worked out pretty well, I'd say.
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SniperJessi Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Student General Artist
Alot of people dislike it because da takes 20% of the earnings when they have done noting to help with the commission process
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SilverYoshi Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
So DA took 20% of the points I just gave the artist?
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SniperJessi Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
yeah XD
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SilverYoshi Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
...why? WHY would they do that? Isn't that stealing?
I fucking bought those from them. >_>
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SniperJessi Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
lol idk
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villamar Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
That actually sounds few compared to how few you gain out of print selling. When you sell a print through dA they get most of the money out of your art and they didn't do anything in the process.
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Emberguard Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013   General Artist
have you actually bought/sold a DA print? Because I'd think that DA would print and sell the print for you with that feature which is where the 80% would go to, making the print/handling bank transactions. I've never used the feature myself to know for sure but that's what I'm guessing happens
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villamar Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
I've never sold any that way because I would never get much out of it. A lot of people I know sell their stuff directly using PayPal or Western Union so they get 100% of the money instead of like 10% and get the other 90% stolen by dA... I haven't really calculated the % but it's so low you probably even gain less than 10%.
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Emberguard Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013   General Artist
I think the 80% include anything taken out for the conversion of money. I could be wrong but then there's still the paypal/bank fees depending on how the system works. But you're right, it's not that worth it unless you get a huge amount sold and then you might as well have a deal with a company that would get you a higher percentage
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villamar Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
No matter what the 80% includes... it's still too much for them and almost nothing for you. The Paypal doesn't really charge and if it does it's not near as much as what dA does.
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Kamar-al-Zaman Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just got premium content and was impressed.
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immadametal Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I went to upload something earlier and nearly flipped in confusion. It looks as though it'll save sometime after getting used to it, but I probably spent more time than I should have just clicking everything to see what did the same thing as the page used to.
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Q9R42 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How about that. A journal that doesn't suck. Never thought i'd see that day.
Ok. I'm gonna stop being mean now. I didn't mean what i said. I'm so sorry ):
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ashesonfire Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No need to be rude. I enjoy reading his journals. I don't read all of them, only the ones I think I might be interested in. If you don't like reading them, then don't! There's a little button at the top where it says "watching" that you can unclick journals if you want. But please, take your negativity elsewhere.
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Q9R42 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, i pressed that button on your profile. Haha! :D
Ok.. I said i was gonna stop being mean. Bad Jenna.. Bad!
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ashesonfire Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah.. that would only work if you were already watching me, which you're, and I'm okay with that with your attitude.
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Q9R42 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm just joking around. I don't mean the things i say. :3
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Paladin343 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Then perhaps don't say them? Or consider what they might mean to a listener?
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Q9R42 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd rather live in a world where we can joke around, then a world where we always need to consider everyone's feelings at all times. And if some misunderstandings that could easily be corrected by explaining yourself is a consiquence of that, then so be it. Lighten up, is my suggestion.
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