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So... that last journal was a doosie wasn't it? 500+ comments and counting! Yikes. I can always count on Anita Sarkeesian to give me tons of views, lol. All joking aside, that was a very serious batch of discussions. Anytime we talk about sexism and objectification of women in gaming or geek culture, it's sure to get a lot of responses.

Sadly since Anita is such a hot-topic around the internet, there was more than one person who were trying to claim that there actually isn't ANY issue with the game industry involving sexism at all. To them, this whole idea that women are marginalized or objectified or treated badly both in the gaming industry and in geek culture is just false. It doesn't exist. And any attempt to explain why we need to change things is inherently flawed because there's no reason to do so.

So in the interest of trying to debunk that bullshit, I made a list of sources I accumulated around the internet to prove that this is indeed a problem. I think everyone can benefit from this list, so I'm gonna repost it below for anyone who doubts that this is a thing to look at. Of course you should all just google things on your own, but since I already did most of the leg-work, maybe this will make things easier for all of us to reach the same understanding.

And keep in mind, this list of links is just a small fraction of what's actually out there. Please if you view any of these and want to learn more, go to google and search for it. It's out there. It's very much out there.

Anyway, on with the links!

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Business website talking about the sexism in the gaming industry specifically about booth babes employed at E3 to attract the attention of men while 45-50% of the attendees are actually women: www.nzherald.co.nz/business/ne…

A woman working in the industry created a hashtag for twitter to expose reasons why the game industry is sexist and to let other women in the industry speak out about it: kotaku.com/5963528/heres-a-dev… and if Kotaku isn't a reliable enough source for you, here's the huffington post: www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11…

A news article talking about why we can't seem to move beyond the sexism in the industry: www.slate.com/blogs/future_ten… and an article about how women are treated at geek conventions: www.slate.com/articles/double_…

Documentary kickstarted funded for talking about sexism in the gaming industry: www.polygon.com/2013/5/5/43028…

Naughty Dog demanding female members for a focus group about having a woman on the cover of their game: www.gameinformer.com/b/news/ar…

New York Times criticizing Last of Us for having male lead: www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/art…

An article about how Remember Me was rejected by publishers because it had a female lead: www.joystiq.com/2013/03/20/pub… and an article about why they chose a female character instead of male: www.vg247.com/2013/04/16/remem…

Video Vlog about why it's "not okay" to harass women in nerd culture: www.escapistmagazine.com/video…

Blog about sexism in nerd culture: girlygeekygaming.blogspot.com/…

Controversy surrounding Capcom's Cross Assault video game competition where a game coach harasses his female player to the point of her quitting and refuses to apologize for it because "that's just how things are" kotaku.com/5889066/competitive…

An article about a cosplayer who was sexually harassed at Comic Con who fought back: www.dailydot.com/news/black-ca…

Vlog about the Fake Geek Girl: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ggK9…

TED-Talk about harassment of women in gaming: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPYcAS…

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Keep in mind that these are only just SOME of the examples that exist out there to show that this is a PROBLEM. Also, please remember that acknowledging that there is a problem doesn't mean you have to stop liking video games or comics or geek culture at all. On the contrary. Continue to enjoy your video games and your cosplay and comic cons and E3 presentations, just be aware that this is a thing going on and to call it out if you ever stumble across it on your own. The more people who are aware it's a problem, the more likely we'll be able to clean it up and get rid of it.
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NotMolo Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
Fuck modern feminism and their huge victim complex and fuck Anita Sarkeesisn. She has proved that she thinks everyone who disagrees with her is a troll. She takes things out of context to suit her own agenda, the game about the princess she is helping produce shows how hypocritical she is, she connects violence to women in video games to violence towards women in real life like Jack Thompson. (Because it worked so great for him, right?) Her future line up of videos will just include her being extremely picky and to make male gamers feel like shit for ever liking the games.

Princess Peach HAS been playable in many games, but Anita just gave the bullshit response of, "Oh, there aren't part of the main series so they don't count" like some ungrateful child.

Female lead? Wait, she has boos I can see. Sexulized!
Female lead? Oh, she hasn't got any boobs I can see. It's just a male character with a female skin!

I don't care if I get shit for this. I am gay and you don't see me crying about the lack of gay characters in video games. I am far more concered with the treatment of them in the real world, not a virtual world meant for fun and entrainment. 

And don’t give me the “check your privileges” bullshit.  Anita has her work showed and praised in schools, has raised a shit ton of money, owns expensive equipment, and is allowed on TV and news shows to play her “I am a victim, feel sorry for me” card and there are male and females who support her.
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Attaora Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013  Student Filmographer
I agree with most of what you said (I am a woman). Personally, I find characters like Peach not interesting but I can live with it no problem.
What bothers me is when there's a obvious sexualisation of female characters (it's just as wrong to do it with males) like in Soul Calibur, for example. Gravity defying, atrociously huge boobs with super obvious niples and a suit of armor that is pretty much a g-string made out of metal. THAT bothers me.
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Neuroticcheeze Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013
I'm not against this, but srsly.. Taking offence at it is of no point, this isn't going to change. We're sexist towards each other, there really are issues of more concern..
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Zedona Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is a very prevalent issue. Unfortunately, it probably won't change until there are more women in the industry. Gaming is male dominated, as are most industries. The New York Times article you used about The Last of Us made some good points. I felt like Naughty Dog could have gone much farther with Ellie than they did, but how can a 30 something-year-old male programmer or writer relate to a 15 year-old girl who lives in a world under martial law with a form of cordyceps that affects humans?
It's easier for a man to relate to a man. I have never met a man who can sit down with a woman and talk about how periods are a curse or how breast-feeding takes a lot out of them. If the gaming industry doesn't have many women, then how are they supposed to make games that can relate to women?
Many colleges are giving scholarships to women for computer science degrees, because in that field, we are a minority. I was a Computer Science(CS) major for a while. There were only girls in my class including me. Out of 70 class members, only four were female. I switched majors because I couldn't program at all. I didn't understand my assignments even when they were explained thoroughly, but some of those other girls would be done with their assignments before the next day.
This can go back to what we are always told: boys are better at math and science, and girls are better at grammar and literature. When society beats it into our heads that no girl can succeed in a math or science related career or that nerds permeate a certain career, we don't want to go into that career. You know the number one reason I got when I asked other girls outside of CS, who could have done it, didn't? Because the guys were creepy and they didn't think they could do it because their math scores weren't high enough(that came from a girl who had top scores in a college level Calculus class). Yeah, some of the guys were creepy, but all in all, most of them were alright. I couldn't talk to them about some things like having guys stare at my chest(since they did it too) or running out of pads and trying to buy some discretely. 
One solution to sexism in gaming is to get some more girls in there. Games like Skyrim or possibly Fable( I say Fable because the clothes can go either way on a male or female character, plus you can make the males were makeup and corsets) make the male/female decision almost obsolete. In Skyrim, it doesn't matter if you are a female talking lizard. You are still the Dovakin. In Fable, you could play as a woman, wear men's clothes, and be fat. You are still the Hero of Albion. If more women join the ranks of EA, Bungie, Activision, Ubisoft, Naughty Dog, Valve, etc., there might be more games with women as leads. 
But The Last of Us isn't an RPG. You are stuck with Joel as a lead. We can't change the past. We can only change the future.
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KyuremObsession Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like multiplayer online games, and the ones I play don't have anything against girls, so I'm good!
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JesseBuijink Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm mostly an rpg player. That genre is extremely sexualised (i guess most of you know that). Xenoblade Chronicles is a fantastic game, but one of its flaws is the extreme sexualisation of some of the characters. The male armours are extremely protective, whereas the female versions have huge area of unprotected naked skin, especially in the chest area. 
Most rpg have this issue, but there are of course exceptions. 
The monster hunter franchise (not a true rpg, but still) has fantastic armour designs, with most of the female armours being actually protective. I think its a good thing to have reasonable armour for once, because of sexism and realism.
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HannahKagamine11 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013  Student General Artist
In one of my roleplays, I actually FIGHT.
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Vilhiem Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013
Okay, here's one for you...

It's a good book, thought not directly based upon the topic here at hand, it provides a similar and useful bit of insight into a similar topic.  Violence in gaming. 

www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_…

This is a great read for anyone who is into this type of debate.  :)

On the note of the topic at hand...  If sexism *isn't* an issue in games, then why is it that the more armor that is worn by a female character, the less protection it has?  Or, in the case for male armor, the more spikes and badass it looks (instead of sexy, or what has been dubbed sexy.) the more protection it offers.

I recall some games where the armor was interchangeable between male and female characters.  Great idea!  ...until you realized that the armor seemed to change drastically depending upon who wore it.

There are other games which include, and I quote, "breast physics" where a specific algorithm and equation is used JUST for the sole purpose adding a little "bounce" to the games that are played.  I'm pretty sure that male "breasts" move too when they move, so why hasn't there been any addition in that?

To make the final bit, it isn't hard to see just from the covers of games how bad sexism is used..not just to attract more players, but to keep them roped in. 

I'm a guy...and it sickens me to see this type thing used repeatedly.  So much for moving forward in society, eh?
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jacij Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013   General Artist
Whoops sorry posted the wrong link (It's someone's cut down version of the episode). Here's the full episode (3min 10s) www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ljebp…
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jacij Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013   General Artist
Dorkness Rising: Funny show for those who haven't seen it. Go forward to 1min 40s for stereotyped female characters- bikini mail anyone? (And the character she ends up playing, and playing well lol) youtu.be/_javitMe8FY
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