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I get that phrase a lot, that and "over react much?" whenever I bring up ANY issue, be it from a video game, politics, or whatever. There seems to be a lot of people who just don't wanna talk about anything at all, and would much rather these discussions just not exist so they can get on with their lives.

You'll be unsurprised to learn that I don't agree with that wisdom. In my books, if you don't do anything, nothing is going to happen. If there's an injustice in the world somewhere and you stay silent, that injustice isn't going to fix itself. It will just keep happening. That, my friends, is complacency.

Then of course there are those people who don't believe that the world will ever change, therefor there's no reason to try, and actively try to stop anyone who dares to stand up for something. I can't begin to describe how annoying that mindset is to me. It's almost sadistic in it's very nature, by actively trying to stop people from making the world a better place by being dismissive and passive aggressive.

And here's the worse part about all this... nothing will harm you from having a discussion about a topic. Talking about women's rights in video games, for example, isn't going to cause your games to be taken away from you. Talking about violence in the media isn't going to get your movies and TV shows censored. Having opinions and being free to discuss them isn't a BAD thing, so I don't know why there are so many people who actively want to STOP it from even happening.

There's nothing wrong with talking about issues. That's the only way we're ever going to affect any sort of change in the world. You wanna know "why we're talking about this?" Because that's how change happens. That's how we improve life. That's how we see eye to eye. Doing nothing is just that: Doing nothing. Nothing will happen if you don't DO something.
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SunofMorning Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You talk with great wisdom.
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Brilliant-Steampunk Featured By Owner May 25, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
that's what I was going to write 0-0
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llirbwerdnadivad Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
What I wonder is why these are even issues...Many of these would be easy to solve if people just got along...
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DTJB Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Either people don't want this place to be turned into deviantPOLITICS, or some just feel YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE YOUR OPINIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN MINE I'M NOT LISTENING JUST SHUT UP LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!
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MoonDarter Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
Those who write in response to some comment, "Why are we talking about this?" are.... talking about it. Odd, eh?
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Midnari Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Actually, I agree with you here. Considering the last Journal I had a moment of vehement indignation, and the one before that, I just kind of disagreed with the view... Here? Oh yes, I completely agree, everyone has a right to say their peace. Whether a person agrees, or not, doesn't matter. And sometimes talk DOES work... Sometimes. I still think actions are much better than words, but yeah, if enough people support an ideal then you will see a change. 

Not sure I agree about attempting to change how an artist, writer, or developer does something but that's more along my ideals of 'Shut the fuck up and let me do what I want with my creations.' Which is my own little belief. 

Regardless, yeah, at the same time you'll have to expect people to disagree, and do so with a gusto. All it shows is people ARE paying attention to what you're saying, and that they'll do the same as you preach while showing some hypocrisy in doing so. It's human nature. 
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
>Talking about violence in the media isn't going to get your movies and TV shows censored.


Discussion of 'morality' involving sex, violence, and drugs in media set back the comics industry like 30 years and we're barely starting to recover from that. These 'discussions' about those subjects in video games aren't about creating a more aware nation, they're about censorship of what people find 'distasteful'. You get the right person involved and you'll end up with another situation like the Comics Code Authority, and video games AREN'T going to be able to weather that.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not true anymore. Thanks to a supreme court decision, comics and video games are under the same privileges that books and movies are. They can't be censored any longer.

What's being asked of now is people to stop supporting bad content through peaceful protests and discussions. The exact opposite of censoring.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, the GOVERNMENT can't regulate video games under the First Ammendment, however this doesn't cover internal Regulation (AKA what things like the Comics Code Authority was). Federal lobbying involving subjects such as violence in video games may not be able to result in Regulation by government policy, but it does not prevent strong-arming by the government and public to instate institutions akin to the Comics Code Authority in media. It is somewhat roundabout, but you can achieve effective censorship through the right channels.


And when you say 'people to stop supporting bad content', what it really means is 'instituting methodologies to eradicate bad content from the public sphere'. Honestly, if you really think social justice movements of today are simply about awareness of so called 'bad content', rather than the systematic elimination of content they deem bad, then you lack an understanding of the last few centuries of human history.
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TomPreston Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dude, there's a BIG difference between being aware of negative content and consciously avoiding it because it's offensive, and trying to outright ban and censor content. The comics code authority was created because the threat of censorship to the media was very real and they needed to self censor to prevent it from getting worse. But those days are over, and we don't have to worry about government action being taken against our media, which is what censorship actually MEANS. Unless someone is actively FORCING you to not have that content (ie: the government bans it) it's not censorship.
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PainfulElegy Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
>Dude, there's a BIG difference between being aware of negative content and consciously avoiding it because it's offensive, and trying to outright ban and censor content.
Yeh, there is a big difference, and most social justice groups want the latter. They aren't about being 'aware of bad content', they are of the stance that 'content we deem bad is unsuitable for others, and as such should not be viewed by others'. The only real difference between that and actual direct censorship is because the former requires more pressuring than the latter to eliminate a concept.


>The comics code authority was created because the threat of censorship to the media was very real and they needed to self censor to prevent it from getting worse.
Yes, and similar can still happen. While it will not be direct, pressuring from agencies through monetary losses will be used to incentivize a similar situation.

>But those days are over, and we don't have to worry about government action being taken against our media, which is what censorship actually MEANS. Unless someone is actively FORCING you to not have that content (ie: the government bans it) it's not censorship.
"Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body. It can be done by governments and private organizations or by individuals who engage in self-censorship. It occurs in a variety of different contexts including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television, and the Internet for a variety of reasons including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel. It may or may not be legal. Many countries provide strong protections against censorship by law, but none of these protections are absolute and it is frequently necessary to balance conflicting rights in order to determine what can and cannot be censored."

Pressuring from groups (political, social or other) into the act of self-censorship is still censorship. Social pressure is just as much 'Forcing' as political mandate, the only real difference being the amount of pressure that needs to be applied by the group trying to incite the censorship to have it occur.
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GiantPurpleCat Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Student Filmographer
I whole-heartedly agree with you sir. :iconbravoplz:
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IronSheepEngine Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
Our complaint shall be recognized by Capcom, I believe that much.
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Arilostimostia Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
absolutely! 
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Yolcati Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This conduct is wicked and has a name.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslight…
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AgentSonic Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I love it!!! You people are so wise!!
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Ameno-era Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013
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Seriously
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La-Bomba-Frita Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I generally don't mind "issues" talks, but like I believe you've mentioned in a previous journal entry, it kinda grinds on my self esteem over time.  I know it's not rational reasoning, but these kinds of things tend to make me feel guilty despite not having anything to do with them.
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lervold Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
shit, i figured this out. i finally did. i know you, tom, personally and for a lot of years. when i read you, i ihear you. since i know you, i know what you mean and all that. now stop for a second and put on the internet filter. the internet filter is take anything you say and imagine yourself in someone's basement, 500 pounds and angry at the world, and having to wash himself with a rag at the end of a stick. that is what people hear when they read you, and that is what everyone sounds with the internet filter!

solution? put emoticons everywhere. like every 3 words put emoticons. so people know you are being cool and not a troll.

and we talking about feminist frequency?  yeah, internet dwellers tend to fly off the handle a bit too fast. then again, check the internet filter for that.
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Shad0wFlight34 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
*N0ds sl0wly* True.
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Deiface Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Not trying to be negative and I do agree with you on some points, but talk is cheap. This is deviantart, not a social forum on some government website where authorities sift through things and see the population's reactions.

If you want to change something, go and act out on it. Make a petition. Write a letter to a representative. Go protest. Sitting in front of your computer and writing a journal on an art website isn't going to even make a dent in a single problem. 

Like you said, "Nothing will happen if you don't DO something."
Don't TALK.
DO.

"Why are we TALKING about this?"
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zananos Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed and signed good sir! I applaud you and your wisdom, a shame other cannot feel that way.

There are touchy subjects in this world, in this country, in this era. Complacency is a bad thing, at least to me. My entire life has been about losing that feeling. Complacency is dangerous in my chosen profession. We MUST question, we MUST discuss, we MUST change. There is no blind eye.

Not as life changing but an example of questions that someone/group in my field may come up with that spark discussion that leads to research with leads to conclusions that change the field: "Is aspirating a needle during an IM injection necessary in the prevention of injecting into a vessel?" These sort of questions change health care once research is established and theories accepted. "Do patients who stay bed ridden after a surgery recover as fast as patience who do not?" I mean these are specific to health care but are examples of discussions that lead to small changes. Here is one going on now "Are nurses who work 12 hours starting to grow complacent towards the ending of the shift compared to those who work 8?" Big debate and discussions going on behind the scenes on whether nurses should work 12 hour shifts.

Anyway how can we see change if we do not talk about change? Many people only seem to care when it effects them D: Well when the circle reaches you, isn't it too late to save you? When you go to Dubai and get gang raped, is it then okay for you to talk about change related to rape? When your family member is diagnosed with cancer, is that the time you start 'walking for a cure'? No! You should be proactive, not reactive. /rambling needs to stop _-_
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PIDKID Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
As Dr Seuss perfectly said it " Unless some one like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothings going to get better its not". And ya know what he's right without discussions the world would of destroyed it self with war by now so I agree we need to talk things out to better ourselves and the world.
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Niconic-crazyness Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I absolutely, positively have to agree with you.
This might have given me some of the courage to go and actually TALK about it.
Thank you.
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DevilKnight292 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Apathy is the proud mother of uselessness, and some day that's going to be a quote. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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Hissdragon Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So "Stop liking what I don't like" applies to caring about and even simply talking about things too. Good to know.
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IniStrife Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly my point. But don't forget, they don't get their asses up to help someone been beat up on the street but people make a flashmop against someone who freely tells the police were people blockade by wrong parking ambulanceways ect. and even call it rigth to beat him up <happened here in germany, I was and still am shocked how much more can you show to be an total asshole at heart?>

People get their head up for the wrong reasons and all those 'rigth reasons' they don't even try to put their time into! And come around with those phrases...totally on your side here! It makes me wanna puke anytime I hear it or am asked why I would even talk about something like that or be the one standing up for others when noone else does.
Because it is the only way to change anything! And we need this change badly!

It could be so easy to change anything into something better, just with little things starting and then it would grow on its own. But they are to lazy to and I can't get why. Instead of hating someone without a reason, helping someone who needs it seems more fullfilling I would presume.
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XMyCrimsonTearsX Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Normally I'd post a long comment on a journal entry of yours, expressing my own view on the issue, but for this one I'm simply going to say 'Amen to that.' 
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MirandaThePanda Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
I rarely comment on your journals, but I really enjoy reading about your opinions on these issues, even if I don't always agree completely. If you keep putting these up, I'll read them!
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TuxedoOrange Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Well if you didn't keep not thinking before you write stuff to post for everyone to see this probably wouldn't be a consistent issue.

I mean seriously you conflict yourself so many times it's not even remotely funny and that last journal entry you skewered the fact that the comic was "recent" It wasn't recent at all it was done in 2010. Then you say the joke they did isn't alright when you have a picture in your gallery of a little man ripping off and running away with a woman's top.. So that type of sexual assault is okay then I take it? tompreston.deviantart.com/art/… Incase you forgot by what picture I am referring to.

Here is a suggestion the next time you plan to write something, do it in a notepad or a word document a few hours or a day before you post it if it's something big and possibly controversial. Give it some actual thought about the topic like if this could relate to something you've drawn, said, or whatever in the past.

Or.. just keep doing what you do... I don't care that much be honest the only reason I even bothered to take the time to comment is because I have a friend who actually likes your work and keeps linking the stuff to me and your journal just managed to catch my eye this time and figured I should put that out there.
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SteampunkedKAT Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Amen! Lets Make a Difference ! if any body has a problem with it , then they can just stop listening I am a dummy! .
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PushButtons Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
"Having opinions and being free to discuss them isn't a BAD thing" says the man who is infamous for being quick to delete comments that criticize (even constructively) his works.  Dobson, you are a giant hypocrite.
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Madhatter2801 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
No, there isn't anything wrong with talking about it.

But looking at it, you get more attention for something controversial than you do normally. Do you really want to be known for that?
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DouglassCZ Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Apparently he wants to. Though, it's not like he can revert it now *coughinflationartcough*
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Madhatter2801 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Ah true, forgot about that. But wasn't the reason he became well known for his inflation art was because he had a bad attitude when he was leaving it?
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DouglassCZ Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah. He tried to hide it. Didn't work out well for him.
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Kaiboy-lollipop Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I think you make a good point & I totally agree.

Also, if nothing else, it's your journal.
 You can write about what you want. It's nobodies business what you choose to talk about but yours. If you did nothing but talk about clay on here for the next 3 years, regardless of "relevance" to anything else, that's your choice and your journal to do what you want with.
If people don't like it, they don't need to read it.

I'm all for devils advocate & speaking up if you have a different opinion, constructive argument etc... but having gotten the "Why are we even talking about this?" in my own life, I find it puzzling and as you said: dismissive and passive aggressive.
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faeorain Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Balance in everything....that is the key. It's not good to ignore the issues, nor is it good to talk about them all of the time, and talk of nothing else. I've met both types ( people who live oblivious the the problems of the world and their local environment, and militant types who MUST speak of the issues 24/7...neither is healthy in my opinion), and many other types of people in between.

Moderation is key, or you end up driving some people away and shutting them down completely. Each person is different, and many times, you may have to find different ways to approach them about a subject and learn to know their limits, otherwise you might overwhelm them and when that happens, they stop listening completely. People need to discuss important issues, work things out...but they also need down time where they can forget about that stuff for awhile. The amount of people on prescriptions drugs these days is alarming ( anti-depressants, sedatives, etc.), as well as self medicators with recreational drugs, and I can't help but feel a large part of that is because of people being overwhelmed with the world as a whole, yet not knowing how to, or not being allowed to deal with the emotional impact of it all in a healthy way.
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irrenderNarr42 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
agreed.
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villamar Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
The problem is... when the media gets filled with the "talk about violence"... that's when movies DO get censored. It has happened a lot and that's how companies like 4Kids are created so they get series and destroy them by making them "not so violent for kids".
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Mystalia Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist


Talking does not help anyone. It's kind of lazy to expect things to change when the only thing you do is write a journal about it and wait for other people to notice your opinion so they can change the world to your liking. I guess there's nothing wrong with it, aside from coming across whiny at times, but it's not really something to be proud of either. Remember that you just spouted words; you didn't actually do anything.

Also, when people say "why are we even talking about this?" it's usually because the conversation is turning into a negative one that they'd rather not have and they'd like to walk away from it without any metaphorical casualties. It is a positive thing; they either do not want to hurt anyone with their words, do not want to be hurt themselves or do not want to come across like incompetent buffoons when they don't know anything about the subject. That's not something to condemn. 
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Pointerofreality Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
This isn't like some sort of discussion in person. it's online. If you don't want to talk then just walk away. People who just talk and do nothing are not helping much. That is true. However people who just ignore the problem are doing even more harm. Besides, you have no idea how much work those who have these discussions are actually doing. For all you know you're talking to someone who volunteers of themselves to help others and is just trying to get you to do the same. It doesn't hurt to get people to recognize problems. Especially not if they never knew such problems existed.

But it does tick me off when people casually toss aside discussions about important things. Because most of the time they aren't doing it out of some sense of duty or because they genuinely want something besides talking to be done. It's because they want to appear as some kind of pseudo-intellectual. That they are just above all this petty talk. I'm not saying all people do this but I'm sure you just as much as me have had discussions with people who suddenly had their opinions challenged and turned tail trying to look the smartest person there.
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Mystalia Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think anybody mentioned anywhere that this only occurred online, but even then; wouldn't just walking away be on the same level as trying to change the subject of a conversation? You'd be cutting the discussion short one way or the other. 

Like you said, when talking online, you can never be sure if the person ranting has put in a lot of real effort as well, but neither can the ranting person be sure that his partner in conversation hasn't put in a lot of effort. When somebody doesn't want to have needlessly long discussions about things, it does not mean they are opposed to change. For example; as a woman, I am all for women's rights, hoozah. But I don't particularly feel like discussing it with people I don't know on the internet. Why would that make me any less interested in the subject of women's rights, or make me some kind of pseudo-intellectual who is above all this "petty talk"? People you don't know personally should not be so easily judged by what they do or do not want to talk to you about. Perhaps they have their own reasons and you should not force a conversation on them. I am particularly put off by the very last paragraph of this journal, especially these sentences: 

"That's the only way we're ever going to affect any sort of change in the world. You wanna know "why we're talking about this?" Because that's how change happens. That's how we improve life."

Because it's really not. Sitting on your butt behind a computer screen typing up questionable theses so you can discuss them with people, especially when it's just journals on DeviantART, won't help unless you put in extra effort. Again, it is not wrong to talk about stuff. If people want to spend lots of valuable time talking on the internetz, go nuts, I say. But don't pat yourself on the back for it like you did something amazing, 's all I'm sayin'.
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Pointerofreality Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
As I said, it's not everyone. But you do have a point. And I do apologize if anything I said came off as crass or judgmental. I do not mean it in that way. All I'm saying is that even just talking can affect change. Not nearly as much as action and certainly not something that should be seen as exceptional. But it can still help.
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Mystalia Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh no, you don't have to apologize at all. What you say is also true, talking can help sometimes if it's raising awareness or followed by action and you acknowledged my points as well. There was no hostility here and you seem like a reasonable guy.

Haha, I guess this is turning into needless banter now. "Why are we even still talking about this?"
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Pointerofreality Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Good point
Have a nice day 
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Bloomins Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Man, you have some crummy watchers and commenters, don't you? I agree with ya 100 percent. Heck, it's often fun to talk about these issues with people, if anything to get a well-rounded opinion and see the other sides of issues. Those people who get grumbly about issues... they just sound like they'll never contribute to anything but complaining, I hate to say. 
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PsychoKay Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Student General Artist
The more I read your journals, the more you remind me of my friend Sho. I find that strangely amusing but it is a good thing.
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Mienai-Kizu Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Professional Photographer
Thank you for putting this into a fantastic explanation. I run into this issue many times with friends, so thank you for giving me something to refer to when they ask. 
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ColorfulRevenge Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
very good very good
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